Parents Rebuke School Board Over Recent Closed Meetings
District 308 Board President Bill Walsh said human error to blame for lack of mandated recordings of closed sessions.
The Oswego School District 308 Board heard from upset parents Thursday night over what some say are recent violations of the Illinois Open Meetings Act.
At issue is the lack of audio recording of closed session meetings in recent weeks in which the board has interviewed candidates for open administrative positions. The Illinois Open Meetings Act requires public bodies to audiotape or videotape all closed meetings.
Before another such meeting Thursday night, Board President Bill Walsh said human error led to recordings not being made for closed session meetings dated April 14, 16, 19, 20, and 21.
“I acknowledge that the tape recordings didn’t work,” he said. “But I can assure you that it wasn’t on purpose.”
Walsh said minutes were taken by him during the meetings and he plans to present them to the board for approval at its May 7 meeting. When asked if he was concerned with possible violations of the act or if he feared an investigation into the matter, Walsh reiterated only human error was at play.
“I understand that we are all human and make mistakes,” said parent Karin McCarthy-Lange during public comment. “I can even accept that this could happen once or twice, but the fact that it happened at all five meetings when the only person taking minutes is a board member is completely unacceptable.”
Thursday night’s meeting was called to interview more candidates for the Assistant Superintendent of Administration to replace the outgoing Todd Colvin. Like other recent closed meetings, no members of the district’s administration were present for the interviews.
Parent Mary Zarembski, who last week started an online petition asking for board officers to step aside, told the board the lack of current administrative input on new hires was troublesome.
“Given that the administrative staff will be working with the new assistant superintendent on a daily basis, does the board feel it would be in the best interest of the district to afford the candidates and staff the same opportunity?” she asked.
Besides Colvin’s position, the board also is currently searching for a replacement for retiring Assistant Superintendent for Learning Marsha Hollis and Superintendent Dan O’Donnell, who resigned in February.
Rachelle Stoller
7:13 am on Friday, May 4, 2012
I'm trying to think of a time when I've made the same mistake FIVE times in a row and was able to simply claim human error and move on. One or two times is human error. Five times without correcting the issue is either negligence or just plain incompetence.
Jane Enviere
7:16 am on Friday, May 4, 2012
Odd. One would think that if you had technical difficulty/human error a time or two that you would be darn certain it was working on times three, four & five. They definitely do not appear to be helping themselves with their image - human error or not. Start paying attention, board members. You can only expect so much support in the face of so much nonsense - no matter the ultimate cause.
Robyn Vickers
7:42 am on Friday, May 4, 2012
@Jane & Rachelle, exactly. Now you're starting to understand why some of us support the petition. No it probably won't make them step down, but it will make them aware that people are simply watching and want answers, whether these are negligent or incompetent actions, they need to stop.
Jane Enviere
9:10 am on Friday, May 4, 2012
@Robyn - I've never said that I agree with 100% of their actions. But, I still think the petition is silly. ; )
Robyn Vickers
10:21 am on Friday, May 4, 2012
@Jane, you say it's silly; I say it's getting people to talk and ask questions. I personally don't think an informed electorate is silly. ;)
Jane Enviere
10:37 am on Friday, May 4, 2012
Unless there has been a gigantic number of signatures in the past few days, the petition didn't look like it had that much happening. lol And I'd bet most of the signatories were not fans of the board before this. It's not like their feelings are not already well known to the miniscule number of people who actually pay much attention to the school board and district activities. They didn't like them before and they still don't. They just might have new reasons outside of not getting the 3rd high school. lol I don't see that as having anything to do with an informed electorate.
Kathy
7:54 am on Friday, May 4, 2012
Once or twice I could also accept. EVERY meeting in April? The people of Oswego are not that stupid or gullible to fall for that excuse.
Now that 3 of us have said that, I'm waiting for someone who posted on the last Patch article to speak up and say "They are human; they have families; they dedicate their time ... blah blah blah". Guess what? I'm human, I have a family, I dedicate my time to various things ...I typically don't do something against specific regulation/rules FIVE times in a row.
Paul Lark
8:37 am on Friday, May 4, 2012
What I find Ironic is that the person asking for the current leadership to step down and have more senior board members step in, is that none of the senior members of the board didn't speak up to say, Hey wait, are the recording devices working or not.
Now, I'm not happy either that this took place but remember the ENTIRE board will be held accountable, not just specific members. You as a member have the right to walk out if you feel it's not being done properly and not one did.
Walt Hines
9:52 am on Friday, May 4, 2012
Paul I was wondering the same thing. The seniors board members either had full faith in his ability or are also incompetent. Did Administration have any clue about this or are those doors closed.
I'm pleased to see that we're getting answers, but they need to start answering all our questions and they can't come quick enough. This is why I didn't want to jump on the bandwagon, we need more answers especially now since it seems the ENTIRE BOARD is not doing their job. Not one member on there questioned anything, they all need to be included in the petition. Mr. Walsh should be dethroned from President, he needs to learn the ropes to say the least.
No disrespect to Mr. O'Malley but someone needs to get some answers on his hiring and salary. I'm not trusting ANY of them at this point and I certainly don't trust the hiring situation.
I would hope that this situation be brought to the attention of our states attorney, Mr. Weiss. I'm finding this mess going way beyond our BOE and should be dealt with by someone with authority.How many laws were broke? We can't afford to wait, we need answers NOW!
Forgetting to record something 5x's in a row is comparable to forgetting your wedding anniversary just once. Unacceptable!
Paul Lark
2:28 pm on Saturday, May 5, 2012
Robyn,
I would find it hard to believe that any sitting board member would not be taking notes during the meetings in addition to official recordings. I always took notes so I could reference back to them.
Robyn Vickers
3:38 pm on Saturday, May 5, 2012
I would hope they all have notes. According to the most recent Ledger article, Mr. Walsh was the recording secretary and he hadn't submitted them yet. I bet he has since done that! LOL
Richard Saunders
8:38 am on Friday, May 4, 2012
Completely unacceptable lies. The only human error here is Walsh believing we're stupid enough to buy into this line of bull. Not recording the meetings was nothing short of their attempt to hide the process from the public.
Paul Lark
8:40 am on Friday, May 4, 2012
I should clarify and say..It's appears not one did. Sorry for the confusion.
Robyn Vickers
10:31 am on Friday, May 4, 2012
Ironically, without audio or minutes, we have no way to know. LOL
mike ellison
8:56 am on Friday, May 4, 2012
I would think that part of the process would be to possibly review the tape recording at the next meeting to make sure that it recorded properly. I'm not talking about going through the entire tape, but quickly fast forwarding through it to make sure that the audio is on it for the length of time that was expected.
These violations of the open meetings act seem to occur too often in Kendall County. It's about time that Eric Weiss gets replaced because he never goes after the violators.
Same with the Kendall County board member who lied about her residency, the board members who were illegally getting paid for meetings that didn't qualify under the rules.
So long as we have a State's Attorney who doesn't prosecute people then things like this will continue to occur.
Jane Enviere
10:54 am on Friday, May 4, 2012
Though I don't think the vast majority of people care too much about this - what people do care about are their taxes. And despite the assessed value of my property declining (though the assessment is still ridiculous), I am pleased to once again see that my property tax bill has again increased. About $7500 on a house that wouldn't sell for $200K.
If only there were a way out of this town...*sigh*
Rachelle Stoller
11:23 am on Friday, May 4, 2012
I don't think the vast majority of people understand the relationship between the issues with this or any other Board and their taxes. That's the problem.
Walt Hines
11:50 am on Friday, May 4, 2012
Thank You Jane for that comment!!! Do you know by chance when that mails out?
I have always paid my taxes on time but find it more and more difficult to do so each year. Having been on the receiving end of outsourcing and job loss it makes for difficult times. I have never been on public assistance but with the continual increase across the board I will have no choice but to move. I will need the angels shining down on me to sell in this town. These increases can continue but before too long they'll be a select few who can afford to live here.
Jane Enviere
12:13 pm on Friday, May 4, 2012
@ Walt - I think the bills are being mailed today which is why I think you can finally view them online. I was hoping to see even a $100 decrease, but instead I saw a couple hundred buck increase. And the assessed value is off by at least $30K. And that's not using recent sales. This is time period appropriate stuff.
@Rachelle - People are generally disinterested, period. lol
Sally Jamieson
5:10 pm on Friday, May 4, 2012
Our property taxes went up by $563 this year, even though the value went down by $7,000. Thank you, School District 308, for increasing the percentage of taxes you charge us by a whole percent. Our taxes have gone up over $2,000 in the six years we have been here. At this rate, we won't be able to afford to live here. This is ridiculously out of control.
John Weber
5:39 pm on Friday, May 4, 2012
That is the issue here! People who only look at their tax bill and do not understand what is going on here and blindly believe and listen to people running for the board who claim that they will be fiscally responsible if they are elected.
Creating an environment where all of the actual educational professionals QUIT and then filling those positions with inflated salaries citing a "the market rate"; as one example is costing more in the long run and thus the people who ARE NOT paying attention complain more about the product of those people who they voted in!
Here's an idea, pay attention to what's really going on NOT just what you hear!
If we believe what we hear then we should believe that a school board who has been under a miscroscope as of late for their poor decisions all of the sudden got a case of amnesia on recording the meetings where they are making decesions that the public doesn't like and then the call it "human error"!
Just Sayin
11:05 am on Friday, May 4, 2012
If I let something like that happen 5 times in a row at my job, I would be fired!!! WOW! They really believe we are that stupid!!
Rob Reed
1:42 pm on Friday, May 4, 2012
Give credit to Eric Weis, the Kendall County State's Attorney, as he predicted a possible violation early on with all these sub-committees Mr. Walsh demanded. I suspect his response to this mess won't be a surprise as Mr. Weis has always come down on the side of the law, not this Boards' wishes (ex. Boundary Committee).
Henry T
1:53 pm on Friday, May 4, 2012
<blockquote> Like other recent closed meetings, no members of the district’s administration were present for the interviews.</blockquote>
Really, you know if I was looking for someone to fill a role, I might want input and would have someone in a similar role asking questions as well as getting their opinions about the candidates as well.
Walt Hines
6:38 pm on Friday, May 4, 2012
Sally I'm gone! Life long resident who can no longer afford to stay. I'm all for education but I must also live within my means which certainly hasn't been the case with our past and current BOE's. You watch, this district will go bankrupt and then the real problems will start.
Everyone asking why the top 3 are leaving might want to take a look at the agreement made with the last referendum. We were promised that the tax rate would stay the same, it's gone up by how much the last 2 yrs. We are adding on to the H.S 's and hiring above leaving salaries, where do you see your taxes going then. They will be driven so far up that only a select few will be able to afford to live here.
Richard Saunders
10:37 am on Saturday, May 5, 2012
Walt, Minor correction: The tax rate promise was for a set period of time - I can't recall how long it was, but the tax rate was held firm for a time. Still, I agree with your point, it's outrageous.
All the outrage over tax rates is jumping off the point of the article, and frankly doing these clowns a favor by shifting the argument. They can "justify" the need to raise the tax rate with the somewhat true argument that the state is shifting more burden to local taxpayers, contracts, supplies and overhead continue to go up in cost, etc..
The point in this article is that Walsh and his Merry Gang deliberately set out to take over the hiring process, shove it behind closed doors, intentionally (because I don't buy that even those people can make the same "mistake" five times) hide the deliberations from the taxpayers they claim to be representing. They broke the law folks.
Interesting that the Colonel hasn't jumped in here to justify the actions of his minions.
Paul Lark
2:38 pm on Saturday, May 5, 2012
Richard, I believe last year we were suppose to be at the 5.06 and it went up to 5.8 something instead. After that, it was open to adjustment.
Either way, with lower EVA's, rising debt service on the bonds, zero property growth in new construction at the commerical and residental level but most importantly a State that is hell bent to push cost back on the local taxpayer we will not be the only school district with issues.
Carol Anaski-Figurski
6:54 pm on Friday, May 4, 2012
It sure is the year of suprises isn't it
Greg O'Neil
9:21 pm on Friday, May 4, 2012
Think your taxes are high now, if the Governor and state democrats have their way, the local taxpayers will have to start making the pension payments at the local level. They are debating this issue right now. The morons that made these unrealistic promises in return for votes have bankrupt the state and the pensions system. The easy way out, force the payments on local taxpayers through property tax increases. Public education just does not work, at least the way Illinois does it. I'm with you Walt, get out of here and leave this mess, can't afford their idea of public education anymore, no end to what they think is a fair amount of taxes, mine have doubled in 12 years. I have made my last investment in anything Illinois, will be leaving at the next good opportunity, you can't beat the tax and spenders in a blue state. I'll have a lot of company on my way out, 30% of Illinois businesses are looking to relocate somewhere else. You can make money here, but you can't keep any of it, have to make sure someone else gets good health and retirement benefits before your own family does.
Jeannine Zupo
1:38 am on Saturday, May 5, 2012
The human error was voting this board into office.
Judith Vogt
9:11 am on Saturday, May 5, 2012
I just got my 2011 tax bill and fell off the chair it went up $625.00 for schools and last year was $908.00. I am done with this. There is a board meeting Monday May 7, 2012 at 7:00 I intend to be there and give them a piece of my mind. This is the most disrespectful arrogant act I have seen of late. Who do these people think they are to treat taxpayers like this. They can just decide to charge you more and we have to pay!!!!!! There is something fundamentally wrong with this system. The rate in 308 is 6.6317 the rate for 202 Plainfield is 5.2705 which is way below Oswego last year of 5.8245. It is time to fight for ourselves or we will lose our homes. I am going to contact the Will county state's attorney about the open meetings and the tax increases since I live in Will County. THese have been 14% per year. Please join me and lets do something to stop this.
Judi vogt happyspa1@yahoo.com
Judith Vogt
9:19 am on Saturday, May 5, 2012
One more thing to add. My school taxes are $7,073 for 2011 and were 6448 in 2010 and 5540 in 2009. And yes my property value finally decreased $4000 in the assessed value this past year. I was hoping to save a couple hundred maybe. This is outrageous.
patricia hish
10:41 am on Saturday, May 5, 2012
Judith you're not alone. I'm not sure if anyone's taxes have gone down. I knew this was going to happen only because my husband and I checked with our accountant and attorney last year. This will happen each and every year until we have paid off the loans or some miracle transpires. From what we were told the Administration lets the county know what the multiplier needs to be so they can collect what our school district needs. We also aren't getting the money from our state which is broke. I agree that very few will be able to live here anymore, we'll be taxed out of our homes! My husband was working with a group of iron workers yesterday and they were talking about the tax situation in Il. One man said anyone who lives in Oswego is crazy to pay those kind of taxes. We are leaving after next year when my son graduates. It feels like a death but we have no choice and I see that we're not alone. We'll either give the farm away or walk away. One can only hope that businesses don't follow.
Robyn Vickers
12:31 pm on Saturday, May 5, 2012
Regardless of one's opinion's of the BOE, we ALL need to push the village board to attract more business to Oswego. The current revenue split is 83% residential and only 17% business/commercial. That is unsustainable for very long. I know that giving incentives to businesses is not popular in some circles, but basic math says that 50% of some revenue is better than 100% of zero.
patricia hish
4:26 pm on Saturday, May 5, 2012
Robyn I agree with you 100%!!!!!!! Only rumors and hear say but from a higher up source Sam's is squinting at the old Lowes location. Anything that wants to open it's doors here should be welcomed with open arms. If they wanted a Casino here I'd say bring the tax dollars in, anything to help us all out.
I just saw your message about the school supplies and I would love to help L.B. out, that's where my boys went. I'll be gone next week but would the following week be okay to drop them off there, I can address them to you.
Robyn Vickers
6:05 pm on Saturday, May 5, 2012
That would be great, Patricia! Thank you so much!
Tina Conley
1:16 pm on Saturday, May 5, 2012
Didn't the Village bring economic development in-house?
Robyn Vickers
3:39 pm on Saturday, May 5, 2012
Yes they did, unfortunately.
mike ellison
2:21 pm on Saturday, May 5, 2012
The various munis in the District (Oswego, Aurora, Plainfield, Joliet) need to charge appropriate impact fees on new housing. The financial situation gets worse with every new student. Have the new residents actually pay for the impact that they are creating. I have no idea why the Oswego School District ever opted for branch out into so many communities.
Just Sayin
11:45 am on Tuesday, May 8, 2012
I agree with you, Mike! Why are the Oswego School District boundaries so big?? We have students from Aurora, Joliet, Plainfield, Montgomery...when I went to OHS, all we Oswego kids had was other kids from Boulder Hill. I have always thought Montgomery should get their own schools, they want to be a big city and compete with Oswego for business and housing, they should get their own school district and build their own schools!!! Let's change the boundary!
Jill
6:54 pm on Sunday, May 6, 2012
If the bonds to build the third high school were approved for sale, our property taxes will be higher than our current ones. I want to thank the board for their correct decision which I believe couple administrators are reluctantly also seeing as the correct decision.
Jill
6:59 pm on Sunday, May 6, 2012
Dr. O'Donnell has given his resignation. He is leaving us. I can not imagine in any corporate setting where the board of directors will give the outgoing CEO the authority to hire the executive team that he will leave behind.
Kathy
7:56 pm on Sunday, May 6, 2012
Dr. O'Donnell is leaving 308. That is fact. However, until July 1 he is the current Superintendent -- also fact. Without a newly hired Superintendant the current one is authorized to have direct oversight in hiring. If they don't want O'Donnell involved in hiring, then they should focus on hiring the Superintendant before filling his/her administration with new hirees that he/she had no involvement in hiring.
"4. The Board Delegates Authority.
The Board delegates authority to the Superintendent to manage the district and provide leadership for the staff. Such authority is communicated through written Board policies that designate district ends and define operating parameters.
Ultimately, the School Board is responsible for everything, yet must recognize that everything depends upon a capable and competent staff.
"Delegates authority to" means empowering the Superintendent and staff to pursue Board ends single mindedly and without hesitation. A Board that does (or re-does) staff work disempowers the staff. High levels of Superintendent and staff accountability require high levels of delegation.
Delegation is difficult for anyone accustomed to direct action. However, to appropriately stay focused on the big picture and avoid confusing the staff, members of the School Board must discipline themselves to trust their Superintendent and staff and not involve themselves in day-to-day operations."
Richard Saunders
6:30 am on Monday, May 7, 2012
In fact, that happens fairly often, as most corporate boards (and all Illinois school boards) do still have to vote on hiring people for those spots.
Jill
10:35 am on Monday, May 7, 2012
Dr. O'Donnell is leaving June 30, but so is Mr. Neubauer on that date.
See Patch article http://oswego.patch.com/articles/third-top-administrator-resigns-from-district-308.
So you want the board to hire the superintendent who will start on July 1, and then have him hire the the Asst Superintendent of Business? So you don't want anyone in the Business position from July 1 until the new superintendent hires him/her?
Kathy
8:21 pm on Sunday, May 6, 2012
Didn't get my tax bill in the mail yet, but just checked online. An increase of $430 even though my house is probably only worth around what we built it for 16 years ago. There is no more blood to give in this turnip ....
Jill
4:01 pm on Monday, May 7, 2012
The blame on the higher property taxes should go to the past board members who approved all the spending, not the current board who stopped the building of the third high school. Regarding the salary of Asst Superintendent of Business, please see his contract on the Patch article http://oswego.patch.com/articles/district-308-hires-new-finance-chief, for how he will save our district money. I have asked Steven Jack to please FOIA and post the employment contract of Mr. Neubauer. I would like to ask residents to click on the PDF file of Mr. O'Malley's contract above. Page 3, line10 outlines his Performance Based Goals. Line item E says that Mr. O'Malley will reduce the expense of third party firms by 50%. I believe Mr. Neubauer utilized the services of PMA on many occasions. If Mr. O'Malley can save us any amount over $40,000, he has more than justified his salary, and in that event, we should thank the board for saving the district money in addition to bringing in a highly qualified candidate. If his initiative of reducing those expenses by 50% is any indication, I am looking forward to other savings he can help our district with. It would be interesting to FOIA how much our district has paid PMA and other third party firms.
I believe residents should thank the board for the service and sacrifice to their community.
Leland H. Hoffer
5:11 pm on Monday, May 7, 2012
I have previously stated that I oppose using search firms for furnishing candidates because they have no responsibility or loyalty to the public body and will always post the highest salary they believe the public body will pay. I do not approve of the salary offered to the new Asst. Supt. for Finance and my opinion is the board made a mistake in offering a salary more than the current salary; however, the board has been fiscally responsible on the much larger issue of not building a third High School which saved a minimum of $78 million over the next 5 years. Those blaming the current board for the tax increase ignore the facts that the majority of the tax increase is a result of previous boards approving building schools, betting on an ever increasing Equalized Assessed Evaluation which stopped increasing in 2009. Only approximately .16% of the 1.59% tax increase in the last two years is a result of the bonding for the HS additions. The petition asking the BOE officers to step down and replacing them with board members, who were on previous boards that voted for the spending that increased taxes the most, makes no sense. Mr. Behrens is a board member who voted for every building project. The complaint that personnel interviews are being held in closed session is without merit because personnel issues are an exception to the Illinois Open Meeting Act and all previous personnel interviews for administrative positions have been in closed session.
Leland H. Hoffer
5:12 pm on Monday, May 7, 2012
Many of the critics of the current board are the same individuals who were very vocal in demanding the third high school and now complain about taxes. Suggesting that a Superintendent who has resigned participate in selecting new central administration administrators is illogical. No company or business would allow a CEO who resigns to make decisions on staff for the next CEO. It is unfortunate that Dr. O’Donnell did not relate his decision to resign earlier so that the board could have began a search and have the new Superintendent on board to help in hiring other administrators.
I agree with Jill Ko, who has taken the high road in stating that the BOE has shown extraordinary dedication, time and effort in attempting to solve the many problems dealt them. For those who use monikers, pseudonyms or partial names, your comments should not be taken seriously. I don’t think the our country’s founders who developed The Constitution and The Bill of Rights ever thought that freedom of speech would be used by anyone who would not use their lawful name.
Robyn Vickers
5:48 pm on Monday, May 7, 2012
Quote: "I don’t think the our country’s founders who developed The Constitution and The Bill of Rights ever thought that freedom of speech would be used by anyone who would not use their lawful name."
The third most important document in American history is considered to be the Federalist Papers, which were published in 1787-1788 under the under the pseudonym "Publius." Since the authors were later found out to be Alexander Hamilton, James Madison and John Jay, I'm guessing at least three of our founding fathers wouldn't have an issue with people not using their "lawful name."
As for the rest of your posts, since I don't keep a spreadsheet of people I agree and disagree with, I really can't say whether or not those in support of this petition were in favor of the third high school or if they've ever complained about their taxes. In any case, people are entitled to change their minds and/or voice their opinions. Ain't America grand?
Walt Hines
5:51 pm on Monday, May 7, 2012
Lee, I appreciate your opinions and comments. If the BOE was interviewing or discussing a possible new employee then it would have been okay to do this in private? Do they still need to record that meeting or no because it's regarding personnel? Sorry for questions that might seem ignorant but I'm at my wits end trying to make heads and tails out of this one.
I agree that the last BOE spent like fools. Yes we had the kids coming but I think we let the cart get ahead of the horse. I'm all for education but it needs to be done within our means. I've always been able to pay my bills and patronize the businesses but the taxes are killing me. $400.00 this year $800.00 next, when does it end. I can't continue and have no choice but to walk away. Thanks for your time and ear!
Leland H. Hoffer
10:46 pm on Wednesday, May 9, 2012
Robyn, Enjoyed meeting you after the BOE meeting Mon. You point regarding the authors of the Federalist Papers is correct; however, since there were three authors we don't know if all three or the publishers made the decision to use Publius as the author. I will conseed that it is an example of using a pseudonym.
Walt, All closed meetings are required to be recorded by the Illinois Freedom of Information Act, (IFOIA). There is little to be gained by recording personnel interview if there is no action taken but the requirement still exists. You seem to realize that the tax increases we are now seeing are a result of the overly optimistic revenue projections, (that did not materialize), which was required to support the building and operation of the many schools built. This year 27% of the school tax is for bond and interest and is 1.81 of the 6.67 tax rate. Bond and Interest is not a capped by the Property Tax Extension Limitation Law, PTELLL, which explains why the tax rate is more than 5.00%. I sympathize with everyone having difficulty because of these taxes. Give me a call I would enjoy talking with you.
Herm
2:18 pm on Friday, May 11, 2012
On the subject of 5 meetings without proper recording devices, the school district has a LARGE staff that works on computers and other technical divices. Their job is to keep these things operating. After the first failure, where was the phone call, e-mail or whatever to get the thing up and running. The main thought is that there should not have been any more closed door sessions until the recorder was back on line. Common sense!!!!