District 308 Mulling Future Kendall Sales Tax
Proposed sales tax would potentially lessen the burden on property owners.
The Oswego 308 School District is considering the addition of a sales tax referendum for the future that may have some homeowners breathing a little sigh of relief.
The proposed sales tax would help to spread out the tax burden and help the school district to pay back outstanding bonds more quickly, said Board member Mike Scaramuzzi, who heads the Finance and Advisory committee with fellow board member BrentLightfoot.
The Finance Advisory committee previously discussed how the district might go about refinancing bond debt to help reduce costs for the district and homeowners, but found few solutions.
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“There is additional cost associated with any restructuring,” said Scaramuzzi. “There may have been some short-term tax relief, but longer taxpayer pain.”
From that conversation arose the idea of an additional sales tax on goods purchased within the Oswego 308 school district boundaries, which Scaramuzzi said would be about one cent.
Superintendent Matthew Wendt said the example the school is considering is a one cent tax on every dollar of approved sales, but it could be a quarter or even half of a cent.
As Scaramuzzi said, "The less they [the homeowner] spend, the less they're taxed."
Wendt said he knew of at least two counties in southern Illinois that have been successful with a sales tax. His previous school district in Ankeny, Iowa also had experience with a sales tax.
In an article on the Ankeny School Site from 2010, the Ankeny school district used their one-cent state-wide sales tax to build the district's ninth elementary school.
The district also planned to use the sales tax generated revenue to complete the renovation of one of the other elementary schools, install artificial turf at both high schools to reduce future maintenance costs among other projects.
Although it is considered a school district tax, Wendt said the tax would be in affect throughout Kendall County.
"It is my understanding that school district boards of education partner and collaborate to determine if the sales tax will be brought before the voters throughout a county," said Wendt. "However, if a school district enrolls more than 50 percent of the K-12 students within a county, that school district's board of education has the single authority to determine if a referendum is brought before the voters of a county."
In Kendall County, District 308 enrolls more than 50 percent of the K-12 students, so the Board of Education would have the authority to bring forward a sales tax referendum to be voted upon by county residents.
"If the referendum is approved, all school school districts within the county would financially benefit from sales tax revenue," said Wendt.
“Conversation is the first step,” said Wendt. He said that the topic could be approached possibly later in the spring or summer if the board wanted to move forward.
The Oswego 308 school district would plan to have the sales tax apply only to certain purchases.
“We’re looking at a sales tax… specifically targeted at debt reduction, bond payoff, future brick and mortar,”said board member Brent Lightfoot. “We’re not looking at a sales tax to pay general operating funds. It’s money that would be well spent.”
Wendt added that Ankeny used the sales tax revenue only on paying down current bond debt that would help to reduce taxes on homeowners and businesses and new construction and remodeling.
Some aspects of the tax would still need to be ironed out, like which types of sales would be taxed. Wendt said he knew, for example, that groceries, prescription drugs and farm equipment/supplies have been made exempt from current approved sales tax referendums in Illinois.
"For School District 308, it is imperative we seek short and long-term plans to reduce property taxes, yet fulfill the obligation of providing a quality education within needed school district facilities," said Wendt. "However, it is important that we initially collaborate with school district superintendents and boards of education throughout Kendall County prior to advancing this opportunity to voters."
For the sales tax to be approved, the school board would have to send the idea to referendum. The earliest election that could include the sales tax on the ballot would be the March 2014.
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Jen
6:42 am on Tuesday, January 22, 2013
"For School District 308, it is imperative we seek short and long-term plans to reduce property taxes, yet fulfill the obligation of providing a quality education within needed school district facilities," said Wendt. "However, it is important that we initially collaborate with school district superintendents and boards of education throughout Kendall County prior to advancing this opportunity to voters."................AND........What's SUPER important is that I keep mine and the staffs pockets lined....Oh, did I just say that outloud? Yet another fine money grab example. I'll just shop more online and grocery shop elsewhere.
Amy Malatt
6:48 am on Tuesday, January 22, 2013
Sales Tax is a Regressive Tax and you shame us all by even considering it.
Louie
7:40 am on Tuesday, January 22, 2013
Aurora has a sales tax rate of 7.75, Montgomery a tax rate of 7.25 if you raise the sales tax in Oswego to 9.25% why shop at the Oswego Aldi when Montgomery has one about 2 miles away. Aurora has a Best Buy 15 minutes away. Why would a small business consider opening in Oswego when we would have close to Chicago Sales tax rates...
Nicole S.
9:07 am on Tuesday, January 22, 2013
I don't think the tax rate is going to be raised two percent as you have added (or one percent, like I think you meant).
It sounds like it is one "cent" -- so every dollar you spend would be one penny. So if you spent $100 it would be a $1 for the schools. Doesn't sound like a lot, but if everyone contributed I'm sure it would help.
I personally wouldn't mind an extra couple of cents on my receipt if it was going back to help the district.
Henry T
9:11 am on Tuesday, January 22, 2013
Nicole,
$1 on $100 is 1%...
1 cent on $1 is 1%...
Louie
2:06 pm on Tuesday, January 22, 2013
I read this same thing in the Beacon on Monday and it stated they wanted 1 - 2% which is where I came up with those figures.
cindy
8:06 am on Tuesday, January 22, 2013
Please people, do not assume that this tax will replace or reduce the property tax. Government agencies DO NOT EVER close or limit revenue streams. Your property taxes will continue to rise as usual in ADDITION to the sales tax. Do not be fooled.
David Edelman
8:10 am on Tuesday, January 22, 2013
Schools are the backbone of any community like Oswego. As the economy continues to improve over time, people will start looking for new places to move and live and schools are at the top of the list as far as where they move, not a local sales tax. Its quite obvious we need more money to keep up with the other communtiies and most of all do what is right for the kids and the future of our community. The money has to come from somewhere. If Oswego as a whole decides to do with less, just know there are consequences in doing nothing as well.
Oswegosmarts
8:21 am on Tuesday, January 22, 2013
Couple of internal things District can do, One Stop the NEPOTISM. There are complete households that are employed by our school district. Husbands, Wives, Sons and Daughters. Most companies will not allow this. Good quality employees are being passed over to hire a family member or neighbor. Secondly contract out the custodians and eliminate pension costs. Other districts have already done this with great sucess. Same can hold true with the busing. Everyone without a degree is in some form of pension plan in oswego. Put them in a 401K plan. Remember pension reform is ,and when this get pushed back on the taxpayers of each individual districts, hold on. Start being proactive instead of reactive. Contract out the custodians and bus drivers. Stop the Nepotism.
Jen
8:33 am on Tuesday, January 22, 2013
@ Cindy.....EXACTLY !!!
Smoke and Mirrors.
Paul Lark
8:43 am on Tuesday, January 22, 2013
Although the decision would be decided before the election, here's the first topic I'd like to see some of the candidates reply too.
Would you be supportive of placing this on the Ballot in April?
Henry T
9:01 am on Tuesday, January 22, 2013
Aurora has a sales tax rate of 7.75, Montgomery a tax rate of 7.25 if you raise the sales tax in Oswego to 9.25%...
Ummm, 7.75 + 1 = 8.75 and 7.25 + 1 = 8.25 not sure where you get 9.25% from
Also Aurora is at 8.25%
http://www.sale-tax.com/AuroraIL
Louie
2:09 pm on Tuesday, January 22, 2013
In the Beacon yesterday they stated they wanted to raise sales tax by 1 - 2%, currently Oswego sales tax is 7.25, if you add 1 - 2% it would bring the Oswego sales tax to 8.25 - 9.25
Ralph
9:02 am on Tuesday, January 22, 2013
quick question for you folks with the simple easy answers...How come you didn't apply to fill the vacant school board seat? How come you are not running in the election? You clearly have all the answers.I mean...its simple solutions according to you. Why all the yapping and not the actual buisness of working on the school board? Oh...you are too busy, you just like to hollar from the cheap seat...I see.
Paul Lark
9:48 am on Tuesday, January 22, 2013
Ralph,
I did 4 years on the Board, so I get to hollar from the cheap seats all I want.
ayar
11:36 am on Tuesday, January 22, 2013
Maybe some of us are sick of the lopsided reporting Ledger does, and don't want to stick our heads out there for lopping. If they put Tony Scott in for a couple years,
I'd consider the run.
Jane Enviere
12:10 pm on Tuesday, January 22, 2013
Anyone who is a stakeholder in the district has plenty of reasons to voice opinions. To suggest otherwise is silly. You don't need to run for an office in order to have a voice in the process.
As for the original topic - sales tax or no sales tax, the prospect of seeing a signifcant reduction in property taxes is slim to none. We choose to live in an area that has an 80% residential tax base for the schools. Without significant change as to how public education is financed (and this will likely never happen), it is what it is.
I'd prefer to push for smarter spending and expense control. I think it's a more realistic option. Not easy, just realistic.
Nancy
9:06 am on Tuesday, January 22, 2013
I agree our property taxes will still go up, but I agree to placing some of this burden on those that don't pay property tax and reap the rewards. But another tax to pay off debt just sounds like government all over again, rob Peter to pay Paul.
Logansdad
9:21 am on Tuesday, January 22, 2013
"but I agree to placing some of this burden on those that don't pay property tax and reap the rewards"
Where is the financial relief for those that do not have children in Dist 308. Why should their propety taxes increase without any benefit? The school district need to figure out a way to cut expenses or increase user fees. Stop burdening the property tax owners.
Logansdad
9:07 am on Tuesday, January 22, 2013
I'd be against voting for this. The new school board turned down a bond issue for a new high school. With enrollment reaching capacity again, where does the new school board thinks they will get the money for a new school when it is needed in a couple of years.
Walt Hines
10:47 am on Tuesday, January 22, 2013
Whether they built a new school or additions we have NO money to open either. They have to come to tax-payers for an operating fund and I see no way in hell that anything like this will pass. We're going to have additions sitting empty and taxes still going through the roof.
Mr. Lightfoot and his brick and mortar idea, really? Time we start paying back what is owed before we jump on the building band wagon again. Spend, spend, spend is what got us into this mess in the first place!
I was in Home Depot this past weekend and was told that they are giving the Oswego store another year to see if it's viable to keep the store open. This came from an employee and assistant manager.
Katra Knoernschild
4:48 pm on Tuesday, January 22, 2013
Interesting take on Home Depot, Walt. The Manager today said they are doing very well, and they had recently hired three new Asst. Managers.
Walt Hines
7:30 pm on Tuesday, January 22, 2013
Funny you should bring the asst. manager position up, Katra. The info came from a newly hired asst manager who was hoping that his job there was going to last.
I can remember when the manager from Lowes said they were doing great, look what happened. I guess only time will tell.
I hope the Jewel's in Oswego aren't a part of the 248 stores closing. Any tax money we can get a hold of will certainly help with the mounting debt.
Brent Lightfoot
12:16 pm on Thursday, January 24, 2013
Mr Hines, My comment about bricks is that if the finance committee were to forward this [sales tax] idea to the board, who would then send it to the voters - it would provide a way to replace a leaking roof or broken A/C without increasing property taxes via a referendum. I agree with you - we need to pay off the bonds used to build buildings over the last 10+ years. Currently we are spending about $30M on bonds and interest, that number will increase to $40M in a few years and we are looking for long term solutions. I was not suggesting we need to build in the near term, but we are still adding kids to the district. I invite you or anyone in the community to attend a finance committee meeting and listen as we explore many options. Generally the meetings are the first Monday of the month - schedules on the 308 web site.
Walt Hines
1:08 pm on Thursday, January 24, 2013
Mr. Lightfoot thank you for taking the time to respond to my comment. We need to replace and fix what is broken, that I also agree with. What I have an issue with is spending to the point that we have to file bankruptcy. I agree with Mr. Harrison I feel we are at the end of the road.
The district has built 2 new additions that from what I've been told we have to go to the tax-payers to even open them. There will be few tax-payers voting for another increase, we've been tax enough. Living here all my life and I can't sell because my taxes exceed what the principle payment would be on my house (3% down) each month. There comes a point when enough is enough, I'm not alone on this!
Henry T
10:07 am on Tuesday, January 22, 2013
I am guessing the proceeds of said tax would be used to benefit all kids in 308, including those in Will county.
ayar
11:38 am on Tuesday, January 22, 2013
Aurora has a sales tax rate of 7.75, Montgomery a tax rate of 7.25. Now we want to raise the taxes in Oswego, and this encourages businesses to come to us *because ????????*. Mister LeClerc, you may wish to take Doc Wendt on an "educational" tour of Oswego's financial issues, removing his rose-colored glasses in the process.. Maybe our superintendent will learn something of financial issues in our town before we have to watch businesses bail like rats on a sinking ship
Travis McGee
11:29 pm on Thursday, January 24, 2013
I would expect that Mr. LeClercq would be all over an increase in the Sales Tax for the School District. After all, it was LeClercq who was quoted at the time he cast the tie breaking vote on our last sales tax increase as saying that a 0.5% would only mean an extra fifty cents on a $100 purchase which wouldn't be a deal breaker. He also wants a train station in Oswego which would require the village (if not all of Kendall county) to enjoin even higher sales tax rates to be part of the system. LeClercq loves sales tax increases.
Rachael B.
11:38 am on Tuesday, January 22, 2013
Just say NO to a school sales tax!! It's time that Wendt, O'Malley, and the school board live within their (our!) means. There are plenty of areas in which cuts can still be made that won't hurt the kids. And it's time to focus on improving the education of our students. Terrible test scores in this district. So they want more cash to NOT educate the kids. Stop reaching deeper and deeper into our pockets!
Olivia5307
11:44 am on Tuesday, January 22, 2013
Matt Wendt and the school board have no intentions of ever reducing property taxes. This stupid and insulting idea of a school sales tax would be introduced at a low rate and increased over time. If we had a good school district that really educated our kids, this might not be so disturbing. The district's scores are embarrassingly low. These leaders do not deserve more of our money.
hunt club
1:15 pm on Tuesday, January 22, 2013
Reduce, Reuse, Recycle. Think Globally and Act Locally. Eliminate programs that aren't needed or don't really improve infrastructure or accedemic achievment and are not mandated. Go to half day kindergarten across the board. Get the total staff to student ratio to 20:1. Reduce the need for technology everywhere causing kids to let the machines think for them without understanding how it is performed. Teach knowledge, not information. And if you are realy brave, group the classes to high achiever (AP), average, and below average to improve scores and college enrollment. And lastly, don't waste funds on knee jerk reactions to current "news", "polls", "legal oppinions of counsel", or un-vetted statistics.
Todd Milliron
1:55 pm on Tuesday, January 22, 2013
Yorkville CUSD # 115 HS Athletic Dept. decided to do away with the HS towel/laundry vendor to lower expenses for winter sports this year and from what I understand it is a new policy going forward. My kid now takes a clean towel to afterschool wrestling practice and brings his own towel home every night after showering at school each night at the end of practice. I was told the cost savings to our school district, CUSD #115 was in the neighborhood of $15,000 to $20,000. The new towel policy is not a big deal to my family, we had extra towels and there is always extra room in the washer when we do a load of laundry on Weekends. This is an example of outside the box thinking that has merit and controls expenses while keeping extracurricular activity school fees flat. I am sure there are other ways to save on other school expenses district wide. From my volunteer experience at our schools, most the families using school services and involved in our schools are usually willing to try an idea if it makes sense and can save some coin.
District 308 will have a hard time selling this referendum idea in Yorkville and Western Kendall County.
Chris Spero
2:25 pm on Tuesday, January 22, 2013
"It’s money that would be well spent.” Yeah, like we haven't heard THAT a million times before.
Oswegosmarts
3:11 pm on Tuesday, January 22, 2013
I have posted cost savings ideas above. $19.00 hr Janitors and a pension. Come on wake up
ayar
8:27 pm on Tuesday, January 22, 2013
Look, people need to be able to retire. In regards to pensions, how about you talk about cleaning up where the *real* harm is coming from ? yep. put the Superintendents and so on on them first. "That's" where the real savings is to be had. Do the math.
Not a Sheep
7:10 pm on Thursday, January 24, 2013
$19.00 hr? You need to check the salary schedule. They start at $12.16 hr http://www.oswego308.org/assets/5/employment/custodianmaint_salary.pdf
Oswegosmarts
8:46 pm on Thursday, January 24, 2013
OK here's where the $19.00, is an average due to the fact that they all didn't start yesterday. And could my family live on $19.00 hr. I hope that my tax bill is not based upon making sure a public employee can live comfortably. My point is these are options and Ideas other districts have used to save money. Don't do anything and lets see how many complain about how high the tax bill is and why is the majority of my bill going to the District. Good luck if they increase the sales tax. that wil draw allot of shoppers into the community.
gater
3:57 pm on Tuesday, January 22, 2013
ok smarts could you and your family live in Oswego on 19.00 per hour ? our would like the type of people you would most likely get for min wage around your kids?
Oswegosmarts
11:52 pm on Tuesday, January 22, 2013
Sorry gater and Ayar must of missed the point. Public workers are funded by tax dollars. The object of elected officals is to do the job the most cost effective way. So a janitor in the private sector who does not get a taxpayer funded pension making $12.00 an hour with a 401 k plan if they are lucky. take alook around and what is the number 1 problem in Il. PENSIONS . If you can't afford to live in Oswego then don't live in Oswego. But where does it say that all public employees must be paid a liveable wages by the taxpayers. Tell that to the forclosure people that lost homes because of wages and pension costs which = taxes. Also gater does paying aperson $19.00 an hour make them a better person than a Min wage person. there are many people who made way more than that who lost jobs and are now making minumum wage to make ends meet. Wages don't make the person. Yes clean at the top I agree, But if you can get the same service for a cheaper cost why wouldn't you. Read what Millron wrote. Find cost savings.
MikeK
1:20 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013
Oswegosmarts,
Your right! The pensions are the problem in Illinois. But, we must make sure not to blame the people working those positions that receive the pension benefit. The politicians are the ones who put those pensions together to attract individuals, knowing they would never be able to make the obligation to fund them and pass it off to the taxpayer.
As for those that were foreclosed on, well they failed in their own responsibilities to understand that he or she could not afford the place where they used to live. So this influx of individuals and families created a population expansion then retraction and no one understands on how to wait to see where things level off, including school boards or else they seen an opportunity to get large amounts of tax payer dollars?
MikeK
1:13 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013
Seems like we have some excellent people here to take on new school board positions when the time comes. Or do we? We see that there is a problem with the taxes in this county and the majority goes to the schools, yet they ask for more each year. Are these growing issues? Not sure, considering all of the foreclosures in Kendall, but I do believe that an independent council such as the Kendall County Tax Revolt personnel might want to consider an independent audit of the schools. I bet you would find places to cut and where savings could be made.
If janitors are making this much, as others have described on this forum, the taxpayers and parents should be considering keeping a close eye on all of the activities that involve their children and school budgets. They (the school board and teachers) are expecting the taxpayer to sign blank checks without asking questions.
Andy
6:44 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013
It would be great if they could find a way to use some tax money to get a bus service for Lakewood Creek Elementary School. It is a huge hassle waiting in those long lines to pick up and drop off my kid and then manage to make it to work on time. I just can't believe that all the people in that line is okay with it.
Oswegosmarts
7:41 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013
My point is that other districts have contracted out the custodial work, and bus service to save money. It is the way big business works. Find cost effectives ways. As I posted earlier, nepotism is huge in the district. Not hiring for quality but because firends and families. This has gone on for years but now the party is over. The district is broke and in the hole. As for the forclosure statement, not so much true. I know people who worked for Cat, Lyon Metal,and other companies in the area that have lost jobs. Good paying jobs (so they could afford to live in Oswego) that just went away. In fact my good friend worked for Lyon Metal for over 20 years and his Union good paying job went to other non union locations in Il. Those jobs now pay half. I don't have a problem with any one who is a Janitor or a bus driver, just suggesting ways to save. (Like Other Districts Have) It's not personal it's business. As in business when the monies are not thier you have to cut and find ways to make ends meet. And if you think the bosses or Administrators are cutting from the top down, you must of just moved here from another planet because that's not how we do it in Il. (sad but true). So why are these non certified postions, as they are called exempt from the same thing that is going on in the private sector.
Oswego Resident
9:37 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013
So you would be okay with a group of people falling prey to the "Union good paying job went to other non union locations in Il. Those jobs now pay half" scenario?
I'm not saying that we shouldn't look to trim the fat, as in your later post about converting their pensions to 401k plans, but this seems a little harsh to me. Especially when you have seen the end results, directly.
I think the entire teacher pay scheme needs a complete overhaul, top to bottom. It should fall more in line with modern private sector pay plans. Reward for those that earn it.
MikeK
4:59 am on Thursday, January 24, 2013
Oswegosmarts,
Unions in concept is a good idea. To do a job with train professionals and get paid more through contracts, we see this in all Efficient Business transactions. But, how we have seen Unions do the very same things as the school district has done is the problem. Get people on the membership roles and collect greater dues and that is the issue. The issue is the lost ability to do the job better than an untrained professional in the same spot and want absurd amounts of money.
Also..
Be careful about the question of certifications. Certifications have been overused for some time now. We do not need individuals to be certified Environmental Engineers to take out trash, we need to simplify life once again and get to basics. That's the issue.
muvin on
8:13 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013
Do any of the 'Wendt's', etc, etc ,in this area and the surrounding districts, actually need to be making a quarter million dollars a year? Really... and why? Over one - half of the President of the US salary. Are you kidding me? And to pick on janitors and other 'working class' for making 19 bucks an hour? C'mon people.. Think...Also do these administrators deserve a close (if not equal) salary when they retire? Good Lord.. what a mess. As always.. the 1st thoughts are to tax more here, tax more there.. Tax, Tax, Tax, until there are no more to tax. Pathetic.
Oswegosmarts
8:39 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013
Once again I am not picking on the working class but in reality when it comes down to it do you raise taxes to maintain these sevices that could be done cheaper. Ask a person who has no kids in school who have to pay these school taxes what they think. It's smart business to operate that way. When your wages are based on tax dollars, you always have to be wondering if the hammer will fall. Go protest in front of Lyon metal why they lost jobs. Watch and see what Caterpillar does in the next few years. My point is non certified positions could be trimmed. Doesn't the District use Aramark for the foood service now. I don't want to see people lose jobs but I don't want my taxes to go up to support these jobs either. It is a harsh reality in the Public sector. Do you think the Janitors at the hospital make $19.00 an hour with a pension? no That's business. How about we go to a user fee type tax. If you don't have kids in school you don't pay school taxes. Just saying we need to be agresssive now before the hole gets bigger. Other districts have done it to save money why don't we. Why do we bid out construction jobs for remodling or repairs? To get the better price to save money. Do the same for non certified positions.
Oswegosmarts
8:50 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013
As much as I don't like this whole ordeal the reality is that many people are losing pensions and converting to 401k's. I don't know how many years it takes to be vested into the pension plan. But how about anyone who is not vested be excluded and put into a 401k plan. So the new hires for the past 5 years or whatever the number of years it takes to be vested go back and covert them into a 401K. Just throwing out cost saving ideas. No one will lose jobs. You have to start somewhere and if you think administration is going to sit down and asks each other who wants to be laid off your crazy.
ayar
9:56 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013
so instead of trying to repair the pension system, which bear in mind *would have been fine had they paid into it properly and not used it as a piggy bank*, you'd just as soon send everybody to the silver bullet option. wow, your compassion is underwelming, smarts. The corporate way isn't always the right way, sorry. Oh, and it's close to 10 years people have to wait until they are vested. You're quick on the janitors and the teachers, but what about the firemen and policemen ? remember, many of them get to retire on their pension a whole lot earlier than the rest of us working stiffs do. You're right, we have to start somewhere. How about where our state senators get their retirement funding ? aren't they pensioned too ?
MikeK
5:09 am on Thursday, January 24, 2013
Both of you are correct in solutions and non-solutions. In reality, the pensions for workers needs to be taken away from the legislators and top government officials (Governor and top aids) first until they fulfill their obligations, through law, to pay for pensions. Remove the ability to pay themselves raises or any other benefits and I'd bet you would see some quicker responses too.
Don't go after the workers for the issue because they are trying to provide for their families.
But
Don't bankrupt the system by creating sweetheart pensions and not funding those pensions.
We have solutions here and we need to get leaders to do our ideas. It's called service and the ones on the school board and non-elected staff (administrators) have found a way to just bilk the system and lock it all up.
russ harrison
9:36 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013
Again, i'D LIKE TO KNOW what's the worse that could happen if we just drop the big one and default? What can happen? Our credit rate will be dinged? Sure, but this is Illinois so that's not a strong argument. The entire state is dinged simply because of the mess Illinois is in.
We won't get the maximum return on our bonds? We probably already lost huge amounts to bid rigging if we have a disreputable company (and that6's pretty much the only oneds that do this service) paying that interest rate.
We'll never be able to build another school? Hockey Doo, the fact is after a restructure most organizations become healthier and more attractive than those that are fighting the inevitable. So how bad can it get, really? Anyone know?
Oswego Resident
9:42 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013
I think it depends on your definition of bad.
A lot of teachers could leave the district? Might not be a bad thing or could turn out horribly wrong. Are we willing to take that risk?
Future growth and economic development could suffer, if the much needed business stays as far away from Oswego as possible due to this action. Again, some might see that as a return to the good old days of small town Oswego. I think that boat has sailed though and there is no going back now.
ayar
9:59 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013
Russ, the reason we're dinged is because federal funding magically dried up. Get our folks in washington [Hultgren, Kirk, Durbin] to bring it back, and watch things clear up.
Kibitzer
9:58 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013
Then there's this headline from a MN newspaper that I get each week: "School district tax levy to drop another 1&1/2%". The opening paragraph goes on to say,"Taxpayers in the Frazee-Vergas school district will receive another tax break compliments of sound fiscal management by the school board and administration." And it doesn't matter whether the school is smaller or their programs different, (which I don't have knowledge of), but it is refreshing to read the news from there. I told my husband we should consider moving to MN. And if we weren't so old, I'd seriously consider it. And, I have to say, that subscribing to this weekly paper is so heartwarming in that it is full of pix of nature, and has recipes, and has news of a community that seems almost old-fashioned in the way they still do many things. It is a reminder of how Yorkville was once upon a time.
Before it got so "uppity"!
Oswegosmarts
10:36 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013
Ayar your right they all are getting rich off taxpayers. I didn't mention teachers they are certified positions. I am talking about non certified positions. And they both are in different pension plans. Teachers (TRS) Janitors(IMRF) the point isn't lack of funding it's the cost to our district to fund non certified positions. So if 10 years is the number for vesting into the pension then anyone hired in the last 10 years roll into a 401K before they are vested. No one loses jobs just different retirement plan that is cheaper to the taxpayers. Or lets do nothing and implement a 1-2% sales tax, and later raise our school taxes. This article is about coming back to the tax payers for more money without any concesions from they district or cost cutting ideas. this is the trend around the state and country. Hard line choices are either we pay more ,or the public employee gives back. We can't continue the way we are.
Oswegosmarts
11:03 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013
WASHINGTON (AP) —( The nation's labor unions suffered sharp declines in membership last year, the Bureau of Labor Statistics said Wednesday, led by losses in the public sector as cash-strapped state and local governments laid off workers and — in some cases — limited collective bargaining rights).
Had to share this reality. Now in the past few years ALL of Oswego Public Sector employees have unionized. Public works and Fire Dept.were the last. So as the rest of the country has to make changes for the taxpayers we just keep moving in the other direction.
ayar
10:38 pm on Wednesday, January 23, 2013
I'm glad you mentioned IMRF - they're solvent while TRS is the one with all the troubles. So again, why gripe about the janitors and non-certs ?
Ralph
11:27 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013
Oswegosmarts...the Janitor making $19 /h is "getting rich off the tax payer"? really? - thats less than 40k a year before taxes. The secretary making $15 / hr is "getting rich"? those are nosense staments.
Not all of oswego public agencys are union, you are incorret. the Park district is not, i do not belive the libary is either.
Jane Enviere
3:56 pm on Wednesday, January 23, 2013
I know I appreciate my children having a clean, safe environment in which to learn. The custodial staff that makes that happen are hardly getting a windfalll. I agree with you, Ralph. And as it stands now, if the custodial staff earns a pension after cleaning up after children for years and years, more power to them. It seems people always love to jump on the jobs that they either are wholly unqualified for (and therefore anyone doing those jobs and making more money than they do is clearly overpaid) or they jump on the jobs that we know darn well many people would never want to do, no matter the pay. So people thumb their nose at them and say that they are overpaid. My guess is there are plenty of Oswego residents who wouldn't clean up the schools day in and day out --- overflowing toilets, used toilet paper stuck to the floor, food trays spilled all over the cafeterias, first grade vomit in the hallways, for any amount of money.
*Cue the onslaught of posters who say that they would jump at the chance to clean bathrooms for $19/hr* And to those I say -- keep your eyes on the job postings, apply when there is a vacancy and then we'll expect that you insist that you not receive a pension when eligible. I'll start holding my breath right about now. lol
MikeK
5:42 am on Thursday, January 24, 2013
Ralph is correct here. You get what you paid for!
These people are working to do good work and be punctual for work. But let's not kid ourselves, are they employed in the whole year with a full load of work or do they (the secretaries and janitors) have serious downtime when the school year is up? What can be done?
And how many school teachers take up part-time, non-school related jobs, after the school year, when getting paid handsomely from their teaching jobs?
Does this not take away from other areas that people are looking to do work that could be Union jobs?
Last time I understood it, that was a no-no in the Unions.
Solution:
Make sure those non-teaching positions, that occupy school the entire year, have viable work.
Make contracts with the teachers Unions to prohibit any summer, non-school related paying jobs.
It can be done but will a school board take it up or you?
Jane Enviere
8:55 am on Thursday, January 24, 2013
@MikeK -- what difference does it make if a teacher takes a job on his/her off time? What does that have to do with anything? With dozens of teachers in our circle of family and friends -- I don't know anyone who has ever had a lucrative second job. I don't think there are tons of teachers getting rich on their off time. And, as I said, who cares if they do? That has zero to do with the topic at hand.
I do know lots of teachers who have spent their summers pursuing advanced degrees, taking professional development classes and revamping curriculum and familiarizing themselves with the ever present changes in the landscape of education. I also know many teachers who worked second jobs starting out. In really high paying jobs like working as a server in a restaurant so that they could make their rent and student loan payments. There's no union problem there.
As to down time -- don't know how much time you've spent in a school lately, but I have yet to encounter custodial staff who are enjoying a leisurely day at work. Talk about a thankless and unending job! lol
MikeK
2:57 pm on Friday, May 3, 2013
@Jane Enviere
Do you work for a union?? Many Unions do not allow their members to be involved in other jobs that might or will interfere with other unions that could lose work. I've known teachers that took up painting homes for summers or landscape projects as a business and both of these areas have union members that are losing out on work to get paid for. And these are just some of the examples. Sorry for responding so late.
Oswegosmarts
12:44 pm on Wednesday, January 23, 2013
Ralph getting rich is a metaphor. Meaning that we pay for the reitrement which is probably more than what the non public employee gets. And I stand corrected. on Library and Park District. I do remember reading a quote from the park board that we pay them well, so that they don't unionize. Point being again. Do we find ways to cut costs or do we just keep paying more. Simple math. I have offered up suggestions that can save money,other districts have used. I realize that a few employee pocket books may get hurt but are elected offcials here for the people, or for the employee. Here is a sentence from the paper today. (led by losses in the public sector as cash-strapped state and local governments laid off workers) Do I think a janitor is worth $19 an hour or $900 an hour is not the point. The point is the cost factor with, payroll and benifits, and pensions. Janitors and bus drivers are areas other districts have cut. Does this make them any less of a human than an administrator NO. But if you think Administration is going to cut thier jobs or pay, you need to wake up. We have a problem that has to be dealt with. If you don't like the message come up with one that is feasible. The worker always feels the axe. I am not saying it's right, "it is what it is." In everyday life we are always looking for the best deal, wheather when buying a car, groceries, etc. The same should hold true for our taxdollars. Remember the quote above from the paper (think we fall under that) I DO
ayar
10:34 pm on Wednesday, January 23, 2013
quote "But if you think Administration is going to cut thier jobs or pay, you need to wake up. We have a problem that has to be dealt with. If you don't like the message come up with one that is feasible. The worker always feels the axe. I am not saying it's right, "it is what it is." end quote. So "suck it up and don't fight the wrongs in the world - the world works the way it does" is the message I'm hearing ? No, obviously, Admin wouldn't cut their own jobs, but aren't they overseen by a group of elected people called the board ? I'm wide awake, and recommend some starbucks coffee. If you're really intent on cutting pensions like that, then it's a board item to hit admin first with. Roll it downhill, not up.
Jerry Bannister
12:54 pm on Wednesday, January 23, 2013
Pensions used to be a an equalizer of sorts between public sector jobs and private sector jobs. But now, public sector people have wage parity(+) AND pensions greatly subsidized by tax dollars. We, the tax payers just cannot keep paying for people who are no longer working on our behalf. If they want a pension, then they need to set up one on their own, just like the private sector does. Obviously on a go forward basis...
Oswegosmarts
1:38 pm on Wednesday, January 23, 2013
Exactly. Thats why anyone not vested should be rolled into a 401K. To apply this to just new hires would be a kick the can down the road method the state likes to play.
Oswego Resident
8:24 am on Thursday, January 24, 2013
Do you believe that no one in the private sector gets a pension anymore? I can tell you for a fact that this is not true. I work for a major corporation that has thousands of employees in Illinois, and my neighbor works for one of the worlds largest consumer products company with thousands of jobs in Illinois. We both have company paid pensions. The real issue is the funding of the pension plans. Good companies (replace this with State Governments) fulfill their obligations to their employees.
Oswegosmarts
8:44 am on Thursday, January 24, 2013
Yes Oswego resident I get that there are some private pensions for big companies out there. But my tax bill doesn't fund those. And when big companies that you and your neighbor work for go under what happens to you pension plan. Point being public workers pensions are paid for by taxpayers. Bannister hit it on the head. Years ago working in the public sector the wages were small vs the private sector. But many years ago that flipped. Now trying to fund the wages and benifits and pensions is costly to the taxpayers. Who works for who.
Oswego Resident
9:23 am on Thursday, January 24, 2013
No doubt that the public sector works for the populace, no doubt. But does that mean that they don't deserve some form of assistance after their working days are over? Should they be entitled to social security like everyone else? We all end up paying for that too. Perhaps they all should be rolled into a 401k plan. Heck, it couldn't get much worse than the looming hole they are staring at these days. But would the state be on the hook for rolling in all of the money that these participants are supposed to have in their accounts, to date? That is how private firms are required to do it when they transition.
And FWIW, large multinational companies don't "usually" go bust. That's how they become "large."
russ harrison
3:28 pm on Wednesday, January 23, 2013
My personal opinion is let';s just drop the big one and go for a restructure of debt for 308.The majority of revenues are going towards previous debt, actually interest payments if you follow Col. Hoffer's posts. So...if we get in on a restructure before other school districts do, then we gain the biggest benefit or least loss...at least in theory, right? I mean really...what can they do? Beat us up? Send us to Afghanistan? We're dealing with "banksters" for our debt obligations folks....maybe it's time we stopped we stopped being tools and started being tool makers.
Dave
4:01 pm on Wednesday, January 23, 2013
I like the idea of funding some of the schools through a 1% tax on goods and services. As an example the State of Colorado funds their schools through taxes on restraunts and hotels, but they have many tourists and things to see. I would worry that like any goverment agency, the Oswego school board will not reduce the tax burden of homeowners. The board will just vote pay increases and add useless programs.
Eliminate the DOUBLE dipping of pensions by administrators. Just concentrate on core subjects and competitive sports, like in the 50's and 60's.
Give me an exact plan of action.
Rachael B.
3:22 pm on Sunday, January 27, 2013
My fear and expectation is that the school district wants both property taxes and a sales tax, both of which would continue to rise, and there will be no going back. Dave, I like your idea of seeing an exact plan of how money would be used.
Walt Hines
9:45 am on Thursday, January 24, 2013
Has anyone seen the big rat outside of OHS today. I stopped on my way home from work to see what was going on. Looks as though our public works director gave the sewer job to a non-union company. Turns out that non-union company is part of the good old boys club from Oswego and they came in with the high bid. So we are paying more for non-union then we would be paying for union workers. Wonder why your taxes are so HIGH, maybe we should start looking in other areas. Seems the village has no problem spending more of our hard earned money.
gater
10:25 am on Thursday, January 24, 2013
well walt you are wrong h linden and son are union the reason the teamsters are there is because d const was low bidder but the work they did in Oswego a few years back sucks rt34 has big dips by fox bend reabar is sticking through the roadway in the same spot all of the stone facing down town has fallen off hlinden had two truck drivers that where not teamsters d const is using teamsters to do there dirty work I for one will pay a little more to see that it is done right . beside all of lindens crew are residents of Oswego nice to keep money at home
Walt Hines
12:49 pm on Thursday, January 24, 2013
Thanks for the update gator. I knew if you post something here you'd get someone who knows a little more of what is going on. I know when I was there a BA carded an operator and the middle finger was given as their membership status. I agree with some of the crappy work that we pay out the nose for. It would be nice to pay once for above standard work and not have to repeat in a couple of years.
The company I worked for that was outsourced were all union, except management. You'll never find more dedicated hard working people. I was informed just after X-mas that their bringing the company back to the states. Seems China couldn't match our standards and their sales have taken a nose dive.
Jane Enviere
10:31 am on Thursday, January 24, 2013
Sounds like Patch could pay a visit and confirm what the real story is. ; )
Natalie Stevens
11:48 am on Saturday, January 26, 2013
Here's a little background for the Route 71 water main project: a good portion of it is being handled by IDOT and the Village voted for the other part to be handled by H. Linden and Sons. They were the second lowest bid, and the Village opted to go with them to support a local business. The low bidder, D. Construction, is now apparently filing a lawsuit because they were not chosen despite being low bid. You can read up some more on it here: http://www.ledgersentinel.com/article.asp?a=10860
Oswegosmarts
1:24 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013
Natalie, D Construction dropped the law suit last week. Define local. Linden's business is from Yorkville. No benefit to Oswego.
Oswegosmarts
1:26 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013
I was also told it has to do with one of the drivers not being a Teamster member
gater
10:46 am on Thursday, January 24, 2013
make sure to get both sides not just the teamsters
Jeri
8:44 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013
I am at a point that I can not read all these comments without going cross eyed. Does anyone remember people running for office noting and finding areas to cut and the community scrutinize them so much why would anyone want to help. Then budgets gets increased! This in Kendall County yes it is. Term limits are needed and the good ole boy system removed. These financial jobs should not be career life long. So any of you want to step up ?????
gater
11:34 am on Sunday, January 27, 2013
smarts yes lindens shop is in Yorkville so that means they pay taxes to kendall county .about half of their workers live in Oswego send there kids to Oswego schools pay taxes to Oswego and so on the other half live in Yorkville and also pay to the county so yes they are a local company
Oswegosmarts
12:09 pm on Sunday, January 27, 2013
Didn't know where they live or send thier kids just knew they were out of Yorkville. Bids are based on price in most cases as long as both are qualified companies. Point being where you live or send your kids or what county you live in makes no difference. It about dollars and sense.
gater
5:10 pm on Sunday, January 27, 2013
smarts d const has done work in Oswego the bridge on rt34 by fox bend has rebar sticking through the concrete it also has big dips going east or west the work that was done down town meaning the face brick along the walk has fallen off . when they go home to cole city they don't care what Oswego looks like .
Oswegosmarts
6:20 pm on Sunday, January 27, 2013
Coal City
10,000 property tax?
10:30 pm on Thursday, May 2, 2013
I just saw my spring 2013 tax bill. Tomorrow, I am going to start sprucing things up. it is time to put this house on the market.
russ harrison
10:13 am on Friday, May 3, 2013
Will the last family leaving Oswego 308 please turn off the lights? My tax bill states that the School District now gets 10 times the amount that goes to the county. While most of the line items actually decreased, the 308 portion INCREASED...again! It is time to face facts folks, the school district can't sustain their payment obligations no matter how much they raise taxes ...they've hit the point of diminishing returns, especially after Illinois's financial incompetence just dropped our credit rating again and the money from Springfield isn't coming folks...and if we do actually get some of it the "too little to late" problem comes with it.It is time to drop the big one and restructure the debt. The longer we wait, the farther back in line we move...