Moms Talk: The Full-Day K Debate
Join our Moms Council as they talk about a hot-button issue for Montgomery families: whether to send kids to full-day Kindergarten.
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Here's this week's question:
Half-day or full-day? That is the question on many parent's minds this week as kindergarten registration is soon underway in School District 129, which includes Montgomery's Nicholson Elementary School. The district recently confirmed that full-day kindergarten, as well as half-day, will be offered to all students regardless of ability. What should parents consider when deciding between full or half-day for their child? As a parent, do you have concerns regarding either option?
Join our Moms Council (Marissa Amoni, Amy Perry, Steph Motenko and Liz Spillane) in the comments below:
Karen Veeder
1:10 pm on Wednesday, April 6, 2011
Half-day kindergarten is my first pick, but I am a stay at home mom and my child will have two years of half day preschool completed by then. I think it is great that there are options for everyone to choose what is best for their child and family situation.
Kristen
1:12 pm on Wednesday, April 6, 2011
We live in Montgomery but our kids go to Yorkville schools. To my knowledge they do not offer full day programs and I am VERY disappointed in this. I feel it should an option to some children, if not ALL. My son is in 1st grade this year and was MORE than ready for full day last year. :(
Marissa Amoni
1:29 pm on Wednesday, April 6, 2011
I think Oswego is the only other town that offers full-day, but I'm not sure. As a mom to an entering kindy student, I am very happy that full-day is now offered to all. I agree, it should be at least an option.
Marissa Amoni
1:16 pm on Wednesday, April 6, 2011
Well, for me, it's a no-brainer. Full-day is the way to go. Unless a parent is planning on also running a mini school in their house complete with stimulating activities and social outlets, then I'm not sure what the half-day advantage would be other than more time with your kid (who will probably just watch TV or play Wii during the extra time - or annoy you at the grocery store). I completely get wanting your kid to never grow up and the desire to keep them with you and innocent a few more hours for one more year, but the benefits of full-day clearly outweigh the extra face time in my opinion (studies show that kids come out of full-day kindy ahead and although that extra foot up can be lost, it is a chance for kids and parents to roll with it). And with the additional activities (art, music, physical education), it is way more than kids would likely get at home with mom or dad. Full-day all the way.
Steph Motenko
1:41 pm on Wednesday, April 6, 2011
Um, just for the record... I am definitely NOT the type of mom who doesn't want my kid to grow up! I literally fantasize about sharing a bottle of champagne with her in celebration of her moving into her own apartment! (Obviously I'm not overly concerned with keeping her innocent, either.)
I'm sure it will be wonderful to have her in school full time so that I can catch a break, but I'd like my choices regarding her education to reflect what's best for her, as opposed to what's easiest for me.
I can guarantee you she won't be spending her free half-day watching tv and playing wii!
Amy Perry
1:22 pm on Wednesday, April 6, 2011
I am all for full day kindergarten. I actually was quite surprised to learn that 129 did not have full day when we moved to Aurora. That year, our second child would attend kindergarten at Freeman. He did do well in half day, I must say, so I do not think that those few hours can make or break the learning process. Some parents or teachers may disagree. My first child to enter kindergarten went to a Batavia school and they did provide full day. Now a third child will be entering and I am sure that he will be able to acclimate real well. Our fourth will soon follow. None of my children went to formal preschool. I had my first daughter in day care while attending college. I do hear that some children may have a difficult time being in school all day if they had not been in some kind of previous schooling. I could see parents wanting half day if that is the case. What are the pros and cons or benefits with both options?
Marissa Amoni
1:28 pm on Wednesday, April 6, 2011
Benefits are to give children a leg up on school. If the argument for half-day is that it's good for kids who can't handle full-day, then that is a huge disservice to children.
Amy Perry
1:46 pm on Wednesday, April 6, 2011
Yes, I see, that would make sense. It is best to have an option and hope schools could accomodate. I live on a block full of teachers, I believe they say that most students will eventually be on the same page by second grade. Some may fall behind or appear slow in kindergarten but they do catch up to their peers- unless there is a learning disability.
Marissa Amoni
1:56 pm on Wednesday, April 6, 2011
We are lucky to have the option of either this year. Maybe the future will bring only full-day.
Steph Motenko
1:29 pm on Wednesday, April 6, 2011
Karen's situation sounds nearly identical to mine, and I also would prefer half-day kindergarten for my daughter. There are so many years of full-day school in her future, so many sack lunches, so many instructions to follow. I'd like her to be able to enjoy the freedom of childhood for as long as possible.
In addition to preschool, we do a lot of workbooks, educational games, and projects at home. And there are so many wonderful options now for all different kinds of classes and programs that you can sign up for through the park district or private studios. I'd rather take the opportunity to enroll Isabella in an activity that she's shown interest in and explore that than have her spending more time at school - at least at this age.
Marissa Amoni
1:35 pm on Wednesday, April 6, 2011
I think children don't get how to "enjoy the freedom of childhood" and most of their enjoyment comes from play with peers. Children aren't clouded (or jaded) by the years of schooling ahead of them and they truly enjoy kindergarten and those primary school years.
Karen Veeder
1:37 pm on Wednesday, April 6, 2011
Steph, we are on the same page. We're involved in all kinds of activities. There is time to go to museums and zoos, parks and playdates. I attend two moms clubs, and there are structured activities for the children.
Steph Motenko
1:55 pm on Wednesday, April 6, 2011
Karen, I'm glad you're here!
Marissa, as I write this I'm listening to Isabella playing in the other room. She's sitting in a box, surrounded by an odd assortment of toys and cast-off kitchen containers, laughing, singing, and clearly enjoying the opportunity to Imagine. While she certainly enjoys playing with her peers, LOVES preschool, and I'm sure will enjoy kindergarten as well, she still benefits from this unstructured free playtime.
Marissa Amoni
2:08 pm on Wednesday, April 6, 2011
Plenty of playtime is available at kindergarten. What is your image of kindergarten? A cold, dark cave?
Amy Perry
2:01 pm on Wednesday, April 6, 2011
You better go check and make sure it's not the cat box. Scratch scratch. :)
Julie Kramer
2:02 pm on Wednesday, April 6, 2011
I'm a teacher (taking time off to raise my kids), and I completely disagree that most kids are at the same place by second grade. IMO, full day K is essential for at-risk kids. (Meaning kids whose parents are NOT debating the pros and cons of half-day vs. full day.) And although Nora is not at risk in any meaning of the word, she will go to full day because I think that's what's best for her. She would thrive at home too, but to me kindergarten is the beginning of formal education, and the time for her to do activities with me is now. Luckily, I have one more year to make this decision, but I don't think I will change my mind.
That being said, I am glad that there is an option for parents who feel differently.
Amy Perry
2:14 pm on Wednesday, April 6, 2011
Thanks for clarifying that Julie. Is it something that has been said though, or written in some kind of educational material or could this just be an opinion from some teachers? Could it be more like fourth grade where they "catch up" with the fundamentals?
Julie Kramer
2:04 pm on Wednesday, April 6, 2011
And Steph, I agree that unstructured playtime is important. That's why I am not a proponent of much homework in the primary grades.
Marissa Amoni
2:09 pm on Wednesday, April 6, 2011
So agreed. I might get into some homework fights with teachers. We'll see. ;-)
Montgomery Mama
2:07 pm on Wednesday, April 6, 2011
My daughter will be going to full-day Kindergarten next year but not fully by my choice. She's on the Autism Spectrum and her Early Childhood teachers all recommend her for a program that is full-day. In our district (Kaneland) full-day is not an option.
Personally I feel like kids need to be kids. It's one year - like Steph said - they will be in the all-day schedule soon enough and for long enough.
Maybe I haven't been a mom long enough, but I think half-days are enough at this level. It's Kindergarten! I remember cutting shapes and glueing and coloring pictures - I don't think they need to be prepping for their SATs right now (and yes, I am joking).
My second child will definitely do half-day (if it is a choice for her in three years). I don't think it's because I want to hold onto her as my "baby". I think it's because before I know it she will be in school full days and life's too short.
Marissa Amoni
2:12 pm on Wednesday, April 6, 2011
Since my daughter is in her third year at preschool, I feel like half-day kindergarten would just be an extension of preschool. Full-day means a richer, fuller experience in my mind -- at least, let's hope!
Montgomery Mama
2:17 pm on Wednesday, April 6, 2011
Marissa - I think that the number of years in preschool has a lot to do with it. My oldest was in pre-K for one year. I think it's truly a case-by-case basis. Much like how some families choose to home school. Which I think is a whole other topic...
Lisa Kuchar
2:35 pm on Wednesday, April 6, 2011
i spoke with a kindergarten teacher in Missouri who has half and full day in her school. She said she is not able to do instructional or academic curriculum in the afternoon in order to keep the classes together. I don't know if that is a state, district rule or if it is the same here. If it is the same here then really what you're getting is daycare, which is what she said it was there. It may be different ehre though. I think it is a persomal choice as well and certain kids who are developmentally delayed or whose parents are not home anyway would do well to be there all day. I think the average kid with a parent at home to interact with them adn take them places ie zoo, museum for more real world learning don't need it. Most people i know who want full day, want it for the convenience of their work/schedule which I completely understand. Obviously that is not everyone. I think 3 half days to 5 full is a big jump. I like the 3 half to 5 half to 5 full. Mia who is at the top of her class academically adn very social was exhausted teh first few weeks of first grade. She was a young 6 and I can't imagine her doing that as a young 5. Again, even if there is "down" time it is not the same as being home and relaxed. M- if West Aurora is anything like Kaneland, kindy is not an extension of preschool. I was amazed by the curriculum. They are counting money, doing addition and subtraction, reading, writing paragraphs and they have arts, PE, music etc. It is very advanced vs pre-k
Marissa Amoni
2:54 pm on Wednesday, April 6, 2011
The full-day schedule could be a bonus for working parents since half-day is really 1/4-day, it seems. But the stimulation (mental/social) does it for me. In School District 129, only full-day students will get the extra art/music/physical education. So that's even more reason to go for full-day! Trust me, if there were a 3-day full-day option or a 5-day more-than-two-hour option, I would take it. I certainly am not choosing full-day to send my child away; I think it is the best option. And I'm glad that the district is offering it - just in time!
Kari
3:15 pm on Wednesday, April 6, 2011
The full-day schedule isn't really a bonus for working parents. It's not like school goes until 5pm! there is still scheduling after school care to deal with whether for half-day or full-day.
Lisa Kuchar
2:40 pm on Wednesday, April 6, 2011
I read a study done on academic levels of different aged kids (Sept vs July bdays) that said by 3rd grade there was no statistical difference in academics. Meanings top of the class, middle and lower end all had older and younger kids. I don't know about full day vs half, but again I would be interested to know what the curriculum difference is or if there even is one.
Lisa Kuchar
2:42 pm on Wednesday, April 6, 2011
And M this is not 1981 when we were in kindy. Mia had no playtime at all. It is entirely structured academic the whole time. No recess or playground time since it is half day. I know bc I helped in the class frequently.
Marissa Amoni
2:57 pm on Wednesday, April 6, 2011
Another reason why I am in favor of full-day. Here is the SD129 curriculum:
Half-day Kindergarten:
*Developmentally Focused
*Reading Core Curriculum -
Houghton Mifflin/Fundations
*Math Core Curriculum – enVision
*Writing Core Curriculum – Being
a Writer
*Science Core Curriculum – Pearson
*Intervention Block
*Targeted Extension
*Standards driven instruction
*Computer Lab/Library Media Center
Full-day Kindergarten:
*Developmentally Focused
*Reading Core Curriculum -
Houghton Mifflin/Fundations
*Math Core Curriculum – enVision
*Writing Core Curriculum – Being
a Writer
*Science Core Curriculum – Pearson
*Intervention Block
*Targeted Remediation/Extension
*Standards driven instruction
*Computer Lab/Library Media Center
*Art, Music, Physical Education
Lisa Kuchar
3:04 pm on Wednesday, April 6, 2011
So the difference in curriculum is PE, music, art. Interesting. Mia had all that in half day. Maybe bc Kaneland kindy is closer to 3 hours vs 2. I agree that stuff is definitely important. It doesn't look like any other curriculum difference though for those thinking academically their child will get more instructional time. Again, what works for your child is the best decision I think:)
Julie Kramer
3:08 pm on Wednesday, April 6, 2011
I didn't think about keeping the classes together. So M, will 1/2 day get art/music/PE at all?
I would be interested to see the 1/2 day vs. full day curriculum and/or daily schedule. Do they get more instruction academic subjects? I'd bet the schools don't even have answers for those kinds of questions yet.
Lisa, I agree that K isn't like it used to be! It is truly the first year of school, as opposed to an "introduction" to 1st grade. Teachers teach to state standards.
Steph Motenko
3:14 pm on Wednesday, April 6, 2011
What do you mean by that, Julie? I mean, in a kindergarten classroom, what are the state standards?
I'm really curious about details, too. No art in half day kindergarten? I don't like that, but I also feel that art, music, and exercise are things that ought to be covered at home at that age as well. (Regardless of how much time the kid is spending at school!)
I didn't get a chance to respond to that "dark cave" comment, Marissa - A government institution housed in a cinder block building is not going to be as stimulating as an actual cave.
Elizabeth Spillane
4:19 pm on Wednesday, April 6, 2011
We are in Montgomery and Yorkville schools. 1/2 day is our only option. Next year I will have a 2nd grader and a kindergartner. I wish we had the option, but we don't. I wouldn't have chosen it for my 1st son because he is a July birthday and was a young 5 year old. I wouldn't have chosen it for my now 4 year old who is turning 5 in May, because he's not very academically focused and really loves unstructured play time. I think a full day would frustrate him more than help him at this point. However, I think I would choose full day for my daughter who is only 2.5 now. She has an early Sept. birthday and will turn 6 the first week of Kindergarten in 3 years. She probably will be very ready for a full day. But, like I said, not an option so not an issue.
Tiffany Prysmiki
3:16 pm on Wednesday, April 6, 2011
It's not even offered in our district, and we live in Montgomery. It's not even an option. I'm glad, because I don't want them gone for a full day!! Once they are gone, they are gone!
Julie Kramer
3:24 pm on Wednesday, April 6, 2011
Steph - the IL state standards are on isbe.net. Here's a link:
http://isbe.net/common_core/pdf/ELA_common_core_standards.pdf
They do not have the assessments and descriptors that start in grade 1, but they make their lesson plans around these.
M - where did you find that information?
Steph Motenko
3:31 pm on Wednesday, April 6, 2011
Thanks Julie. State standards - This just opens up a whole other can of worms. I don't suppose we have time or space to discuss all that is wrong with this country's educational system... Maybe next week?
Amy Perry
3:41 pm on Wednesday, April 6, 2011
Yes we do- feel free to begin!
Marissa Amoni
9:33 pm on Wednesday, April 6, 2011
Julie - I received the schedule from Mike Chapin with SD129.
Amy Perry
3:34 pm on Wednesday, April 6, 2011
Not much of a difference in curriculum. About an hour at the most? Not sure. They alternate gym and the arts. I think when Bryce was in half day - I dropped him off at 8:35? or earlier and picked him up at 10:50 or so. "What did you learn today?" "Where?" It just seems like such a short time to pack that all in. It's ok though, I still think he did well with "quarter day."