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Protest Planned for Oswego Chick-fil-A Opening Day

In light of the recent remarks made by the fast food chain's president, local resident Beck Gipson said she does not "want this kind of hate in my town."

 

A local resident is asking the community to join in a peaceful protest when Oswego’s Chick-fil-A restaurant opens Thursday, Aug. 23, in light of recent remarks the fast food chain's president made against same sex marriage.

On a Facebook page created to organize the event, Beck Gipson, an Oswego High School graduate, said the president of Chick-fil-A “has not only come out and spoken against gay marriage but has admitted that part of the funds they make from the restaurant are donated to organizations against gay marriage.”

“It’s been reported that Dan Cathy has donated ($5 million) dollars to organizations that are fighting against gay marriage. I for one do not want this kind of hate in my town,” Gipson wrote on the page. 

The protest, slated for 5 to 8 p.m. Thursday, Aug. 23, at the Route 34 store will entail, according to the event page, “peacefully standing across the street and letting everyone that eats there and anyone passing by know by eating there you are funding hate.”

Attempts to reach Gipson were unsuccessful.

Last week, Chick-fil-A President Dan Cathy said his business was "guilty as charged" in support of the "biblical definition of the family unit," according to the AP.

Donald Perry, vice president of corporate public relations for Chick-fil-A, said in a statement the restaurant is a “family-owned and family-led company serving the communities in which it operates.”

“From the day Truett Cathy started the company, he began applying biblically-based principles to managing his business,” he said. “For example, we believe that closing on Sundays, operating debt-free and devoting a percentage of our profits back to our communities are what make us a stronger company and Chick-fil-A family.”

Perry said the restaurant’s culture and service tradition “is to treat every person with honor, dignity and respect –regardless of their belief, race, creed, sexual orientation or gender.”

“Going forward, our intent is to leave the policy debate over same-sex marriage to the government and political arena,” Perry said. “Our mission is simple: to serve great food, provide genuine hospitality and have a positive influence on all who come in contact with Chick-fil-A.”

Editor's note: This story has been updated to correct a misidentification in gender. We regret the error. 

Related Topics: Chick-Fil-A and Protest

Amber

6:05 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

Everyone has a right to their opinion. If you don't like it don't go there.

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Steve Aldrich

11:33 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

Everyone also has a right to peacefully protest, believe I read that in a certain foundation document of some import once or twice.

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Karla Casner

1:09 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

I totally agree - no one is forced to eat there! And as far as I'm concerned - ALL of these protesters against Chick-Fil-A are hypocrits! Which one of you has boycotted or questioned any of the many businesses owned and run by Muslims? Their beliefs against same-sex marriage are much stronger and pointed than Mr. Cathy's! Hmmmm what made everyone single out this business? Could it be plain and simply a war against Christianity? Shame on you that are participating in this "event" protest. I will be happily eating there because this is AMERICA!

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Steve Aldrich

1:29 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

Ms. Casner: Nice way to demonstrate and express your own discriminatory biases and toss out the usual vacuous empty rhetoric. It would appear, based on your diatribe below, you deny or neglect this is a secular society, derived from many faiths, places of origin, etc. It's been that way for well over 235 years.

Perhaps you might wish to refresh you memory and comprehension of certain foundational documents, our shared history as a nation and learn about the actual beliefs of others who do not share you religion of choice/preference and beliefs.

Your 'dog whistling' remarks re: Muslims, the faux and mythical 'war on Christianity, etc. are, IMO, rather telling and disrespectful, at best.

Respectfully yours...

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William Mirenic

1:47 am on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

What ever happened to freedom of religion? And why cant you exercise that right without being called "funding hate". Why dont you protest somthing besides one of our fundimental rights? If you want to marry same sex and the law allows it go ahead but dont criticize everyone who dose not agree with you.

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Steve Aldrich

3:05 am on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

William Mirenic: "What ever happened to freedom of religion? And why cant you exercise that right without being called "funding hate". Why dont you protest somthing besides one of our fundimental rights?"

Not at issue, sir, nobody is taking away or protesting against freedom of religion or the exercise thereof. Such false 'persecution claims' are moot and a dodge to evade the actual underlying issues, facts and focus of the actual protest(s), namely the conduct, policies and business practices of a particular business. In this case, CFA and it's corporate leadership.

CFA has been frequently cited as having a 'cult like following', perhaps for good cause and reason, at least according to Forbes magazine.

The Cult of Chick-fil-A Emily Schmall 07.23.07
http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2007/0723/080.html

They've also taken a substantial negative 'hit' in the marketplace, nationally and regionally, even in the south.

On July 16th, the day the Baptist Press published its Dan Cathy interview, Chick-Fil-A's Index score was 65, a very substantial 19 points above the Top National QSR Sector average score that day of 46.

Four days later, Chick-Fil-A had fallen to 47 score, three points below the Top National QSR Sector average score of 50. This past Wednesday, Chick-Fil-A had a 39 score compared to the Top National QSR Sector average score of 43.

This is about behavior by a 'corporate citizen' from actual ones (people)

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sissybee

10:12 am on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

Mr. Aldrich, you must be mistaken; there is a war on Christianity. It is lead by a fallen archangel named Lucifer (a.k.a. Satan) since the beginning of time. Most people, indicated in posts like Mr. Mirenic, take issue with the organizers use of the phrase "do not want this kind of hate in my town". Organizations that are opposed to gay marriage are not funding hate, they are expressing a belief of many people that marriage (a religious belief) is between a man and a woman. You and the organizer of this event may see otherwise, which is fine and a fundamental right in our country. The disagreement and the respect for one’s personal opinion are what make this country great and FREE. However, to say that by participating in commerce with a restaurant that happens to have a CEO that believes the same way that many people in our community do is considered "funding hate" could be construed as being overly dramatic and not promoting the "peaceful protest" she intends. She is obviously very passionate about her believes, not unlike the CEO. I am sure if she were running a multimillion dollar business, she too would be funding organizations that believe as she does and she would have every right to do so. Respect goes both ways. Each party is using their own resources to express their belief.

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sissybee

10:12 am on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

Also, Christianity teaches to love the Lord your God with all your heart and to love others as yourself. This doesn’t have a caveat excluding any person from this rule. Therefore, let’s stop using emotionally charged words such as “hate”, let our actions speak for themselves, and teach our children that everyone deserves our love and respect.

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Karla Casner

4:26 pm on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

Steve, how wrong you are - I agree everyone has a right to peacefully protest, disagree, etc. It is so easy to throw out the bias/discriminatory accusations and never answer the question! The whole point to this story is that political people in authority are threatening to deny a business access because of what the owner believes - yes I do have friends that are very successful and of the Muslim faith and they are strongly opposed to same-sex marriages - I am not offended! I believe they do have the right to have businesses here and anywhere else in the USA that they desire. My problem is that too many people pick and choose who they want to attack and are not driven by the issues at all - hence my comparison to Muslim owned businesses and Christian owned businesses. You can throw out all the judgemental diatribe you want, but you are wrong, you didn't answer the question and you missed the point. Boy did you ever miss the point!

Janis Reid

6:27 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

I totally agree with Amber. As for me, I love Chick-Fil-A, and I'm glad to welcome them to Oswego!

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Janet Taft

1:16 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

I with you on this one Janis :)

Rayanne Carlson

6:35 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

I believe in freedom of choice for choosing a partner. I also believe if all businesses put their beliefs out for public view and comment, we would see far more places we love to patronize supporting causes with which we may not be agreeable. It seems there are more important causes to fight. I with Amber on this one.

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Steve Aldrich

11:34 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

so equality is not 'that important' to stand up for...gotcha...

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michael

8:11 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

Thats why we call it america, you have a right to your own opinion. I am against gay marriage, and if you don't like it then don't support those business but people like me will support these type of business more that stand up for what they believe in.

Devoted

6:49 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

So, you dont 'want this kind of hate' in your town, yet you have a group forming to protest in front of the restaurant. Real mature.
I'm with Amber-if you don't like it, don't go there!

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Becky

1:14 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

The right to protest peacefully is one of our freedoms in this country. It is not a question of maturity if one decides to protest.

Jacqueline

6:50 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

Because they chose to support certain Christian groups does not mean hate. Good grief! Organizations can donate where they want. If you don't like it, don't eat there. I don't like what Hooters stands for, so I don't patronize them. I'm making sure I go that day to support our newest business in town.

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Logansdad

8:06 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

Hooters isnt denying people something. There is a difference between what Hooters and Chic-fil-a is doing

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JPauly

8:37 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

http://www.hooters.com/Mission.aspx

What in Hooters mission statement do you not like?

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Jacqueline

1:43 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

Right, Hooters is in the business of objectifying women for $$. Chick Fil A is in the fast food business & also happens to support a few Christian organizations. They were founded on Christian beliefs & have been very successful at what they do. As for what Chick Fil A is "doing" is selling chicken to anyone who wants to go there. There is no discrimination against who they serve.

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Parent of a senior

2:19 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

Logansdad - what is Chic-fil-a denying? I don't recall Chic-fil-a saying they would not serve anyone or that people would not be allowed in the restaurant.

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Eric Roberts

7:01 am on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

Certain Christian groups? They are Christian hate groups that support hateful attitudes towards homosexuals. This pray away the gay crap is dangerous and it is akin to snake oil. Hate wrapped in religion is still hate at the end of the day. I must have missed the part in the bible where Jesus told you to hate people. There is a big difference. Were you criticizing the folks who were protesting outside the the place in Naperville that is a hooters knockoff? Probably not. My guess is that you agreed with them, so you applauded it., You are right...companies are free to donate to whomever they want, but they will also face the consequences of their actions. The only thing hypocritical here are the people criticizing the people that want to protest this. BTW...CFA is known for discriminating agaisnt homosexuals directly. IF you don;t toe their party line and bow down to fundamentalist Christianity, you don't get hired. CFA has faced 12 employment discrimination cases dealing with not hiring homosexuals. Family Research Council and Exodus International are both listed as hate groups by the Southern Poverty Law Center. Hate is not a Christian value. Jesus taught to love one another, not hate.

JPauly

6:50 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

I will not be giving any of my money to any beneficiary claiming to know what God's wraith will be for any cause. If you don't like wakkos protesting soldier’s funerals, then you should be equally offended with this CEO's opinion on gay marriage.

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Jacqueline

7:12 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

Comparing apples & oranges.

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Kevman10

10:00 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

Jpauly - Seriously? You're comparing whacko's protesting at soldier's funerals to a guy who owns Chik-Fil-A expressing what his own beliefs are? C'mon! This is all SOOO ridiculous! So, what you're saying is - it is NOT OK for the President of Chik-Fil-A to express his beliefs and/or opinions; but is OK for YOU to express how much you hate his? Isn't that the definition of hypocritical? Wake up People - it's another fast food chain in what Oswego has become known for - fast food and chain restaurants! I may be out of touch but I believe there's an old standard which has not gone away and that is - EVERYONE IS ENTITLED TO THEIR OWN OPINION! Give it up.

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JPauly

11:51 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

Take it easy Caveman10... ReRead my entire response(s). The part that irks me is where people say certain actions will provoke God's judgement, that's it. We are all free to beleive and say what we want and I respect all opinions.

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Kevman10

12:16 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

Ok there Pauly Shore - don't call me Caveman because I was able to point out the flaws in your thinking. Your posts say nothing of the sort which you just chose to spew. If you cannot communicate your thoughts effectively and into words - you should not choose to call someone names becaus they call your comments for what they were - ignorant. By the way - it is spelled "wrath" and "whackos". If you do believe everyone has the right to their own opinion and you do respect those differing views, then you shouldn't be surprised when others have differing views than yours and then try to impose your beliefs on them by saying they should be offended with this CEO's opinion on gay marriage. Why don't you go research the beliefs and opinions of every friggin' fast food, independent and chain restaurant in this town - then maybe you can start your own protests there, too. It's a place to go eat, if you don't like it that is fine. One less person to stand behind in line. I guess it really is true - Ignorance is bliss...

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JPauly

1:05 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

Oh, sorry there Kevman10. It must have been a Freudian slip. I read your response and just started typing away. It probably explains the typos as well. Anyway, I've wrung this one out dry so I guess we just have to agree to disagree. Bliss out.

Kibitzer

6:59 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

Could Beck Gipson just be in need of attention?

Michael Z.

7:04 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

I agree with Amber too, anyone that has time like this on there hands should put it to better use like volunteer for the community. Instead of this article were is the one on a new business opening in Oswego.

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Eric Roberts

7:03 am on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

What is better use of your time than practicing your constitutional right? Protest is the foundation of this country, not that you conservative types would understand that...

SwmGymMom

7:19 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

Those "wakkos protesting soldier's funerals," are interrupting the grief of families who have lost their loved ones fighting for our country which, by the way, gives both you and the CEO the right to have your differing opinions. HIs opinion may offend your beliefs-that's your choice, but not those suffering the loss of a loved one didn't have a choice to whether or not to lose them. Shame on you for comparing a family's right to grieve to this!

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JPauly

8:26 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

No shame here. I'm not offended by the Chik-fil-a CEO's stance on gay marriage. I'm offended with his imposition of God's judgement because of gay marriage, just like the wakkos protesting soldier's funerals.

Lojo

7:24 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

Everyone has a right to their opinion! Kuddos to Dan Cathy for standing up for what he believes! I am proud to have a Chick-fil-A coming to my community. I will support Chick-fil-A and enjoy their yummy chicken sandwiches!!!

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Eric Roberts

7:04 am on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

He is also facing the consequences of his actions.

Patti Miller

7:29 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

Last time I checked, Americans have the right to peacefully protest. If it is that important to Beck, then he has the right to do so, just like others have the right to eat there. Cuts both ways.

Bob Lisberg

8:03 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

At the end of the day, the premise of our entire nation's history is based on equal rights and liberty for all mankind. If you are not for equal rights, then you are against it. If you are against it, you go eat at Chik-Fil-A. Just do not wave an American flag, quote the constitution when it serves you, or pretend that anyone else's rights or views matter to you. If you are going to subscribe to the Constitution of our nation, you gotta subscribe to all of it.

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Becky

1:20 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

While I agree with basically all of your comments, there is one point that I do not. If you are pro-equality/pro-gay marriage and continue to eat at Chik-Fil-A, knowing that the company donates profits to anti-gay marriage groups, then you aren't necessarily against equality, you just have a weaker moral/ethical stance.

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Kevman10

1:49 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

Congratulations, we now have a winner for the most stupid comment of the day! Ding, ding, ding... Tell Becky what she's won, Bob! Becky, that's like saying don't eat at Chik-Fil-A because they're against gay marriage but you'll go down the street to McDonald's because you support childhood obesity!

Roger Sanders

8:03 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

I won't be frequenting Chick-fil-a for the same reason I've stopped shopping at Wal-Mart. I'm fed up with the multi-headed corporate snake seeking to shape social policy in the country. The corporations should focus on the betterment of the working class, increasing salaries, adding jobs and stick to business. I'm tired of them trying to impose a social agenda on the country. When the CEO/owner infuses his personal social agenda into business then he should't be surprised that not everyone will appreciate it. His business, he can do what he wants I guess as long as it doesn't infringe upon the civil rights of others. My wallet won't be helping him.

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Leslie Conklin

9:41 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

If everyone boycots the corprate snakes...let us say we only shop at the local farm for our eggs and veggies, only go to a shop that hand makes its own clothing, only support small businesses that dont order on a global scale that might somehow support a DIFFERENT big business snake, who will actually be rasing the salaries and adding the jobs? I suppose the small farm will higher a few more people, and if they do REALLY well they may higher some more, and then maybe get a bigger farm. Maybe they will hire a hundred people! Gosh. I hope they dont have any opinion on social policy once they get there. Then wei will have to boycot THEM and they will not be able to hire people and add jobs. I agree...vote with you wallet and at the polls.

Dnb3kids

8:05 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

@Dan- That was real ignorant.

Chrissy J

8:10 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

Just to let you know...Beck or BECKY is a girl. And she has every right to a peaceful protest for something that she believes in & hits home for her. Try having your car keyed or nasty comments made just because of a rainbow sticker on her car! That's what she goes through still on a daily basis. All she wants is discrimination to stop.

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Big Country

8:19 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

It's not fair someone has to deal with this everyday!! I agree discrimination needs to stop on all levels!!

Logansdad

8:11 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

I tried Chic-fil-a when they opened at Fox Valley. Did not care for their food at all. Personally I prefer the chicken sandwiches at Mc Donald's. I will not be giving Chic-fil-a my business because of their views and because I do want to have more traffic on Ogden Ave. Traffic their is already a nightmare.

If Cathy believes in following Christian values, lying and hate are not Christian values. Nor is cherry picking which parts of the Bible, he wishes to follow.

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antigambler

3:29 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

If I don't believe in heterosexual divorce, does that mean that I hate heterosexuals?

Jill Berenyi

8:12 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

Beck, perhaps you should make some more fruitful plans for that day. Just make sure that you and your cronies don't block the entrance or drive thru. I don't want to have to take extra steps to go around you!

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Steve Aldrich

3:59 am on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

Ms Berenyl: If you read the article, it clearly states the protest activities will be held "peacefully standing across the street", not in front of nor impeding traffic or customers who wish to patronize CFA that day.

Big Country

8:13 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

Really!! Come on let's do what a friend of mine said, bring more bars and strip joints to the community. It's called freedom of speech people! I bet you if Target or Walmart came out and annouced what they supported you would not be able to shop in that store. Let's look at gas stations, abortion clinics and I could go on and on. It's chicken cooked right and served with an a company that holds no debt. Can't say that about other companies (banks that took large sums of money and has yet to pay it back!)

So anyone you stands on bibical beliefs is doing hate crimes?? Come arrest me I stand right next to Chick fil - A on this matter. I have nothing againest life partners, but marriage is stated Man & Woman. I have yet to read anything other than this scripture Genesis 2:24 Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife?? Not another man!! I'm going to get me some chicken on August 23. I might even sleep over night just because I can! So come out to support a company that wants to support our community! Thanks Chick fil - A l for standing firm!!

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Logansdad

8:19 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

So Big County, since it appears you follow exactly what is in the Bible, when was the last time you owned a slave or killed someone who worked on the Sabbat?. Have you eaten shellfish or have clothes made out of two fabrics?

I dare you to point out someting in Jesus' own words about homosexuality.

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Big Country

8:38 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

LogansDad; I had this debate with a pastor and we can all agree to disagree with our beliefs. I belief Man & Woman! Your Belief?? I can say is I will be eating a hot chicken sandwich on August 23rd!! Come join me!

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Logansdad

8:44 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

So one man and one woman = marriage. Whatever happened to love and life long commitment. When those that oppose same sex marriage define marriage as one man and women, I feel they have lost touch on what marriage is really about. When that phrase is used to define marriage, I see it being more important who gets married rather than what marriage is supposed to be about - love and commitment. Marriage does not begin and end when "I Do" is said.

Furthermore, if those that oppose same sex marriage really wanted to protect "the sanctity of marriage" as they claim, they would be banning divorce. Divorce does more damage to a marriage than allowing to people of the same sex to get marrried. I wonder how many people would be against a constitutional amendment that outlawed divorce.

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Big Country

8:54 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

Oh LogansDad; So right but so wrong as you cna see I do not oppose the same sex beinging together as life partners and getting benefits. We are called to be be one and go forth to procreation.. Let's just again agree to disagree on this matter, remember my beliefs and (yours??)! Have a great day!

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rob k

10:54 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

It's Adam and Eve - not Adam and Steve.

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Logansdad

11:31 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

Rob K. Marriage is a lifelong commitment, not 72 hrs, not 1 month, not 2 times and certainly not 12 times.

When the heterosexual community follows that tenant about marriage then we can talk about who can and who can't get married

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Janet Taft

1:25 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

Well said :)Couldn't have said it better myself.

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Eric Roberts

12:49 pm on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

Actually, the banks have payed it all back with interest. As for the rest of your post can you please repost that in English? This makes no sesnse at all: "I bet you if Target or Walmart came out and annouced what they supported you would not be able to shop in that store."

So tell me, why does your religious text mean squat? It's a book written by men and c hanged by men for political reasons and for personal gain. I am not Christian, so why should I give a rats backside what it has to say? This is not a Christian country that is run by the rules of Christianity. It is a nation run by the rule of law and the Constitution...not some book about your invisible sky friend.

crystal

8:13 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

Noone eating at Chicken Fil A is "funding hate"! Sorry, thats about the silliest thing I've read so far. I eat there and I don't hate anyone and just cuz he doesn't support their marriages, doesn't mean he "hates"anyone. That's a strong word to describe. I don't agree with many beliefs and decisions by the school board, doesn't mean I hate them at all. Seriously people, its not about hate, instead, like the gay community is proud of their beliefs and are happy, others have that right to their beliefs and religion. Its everyones right.

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Eric Roberts

12:51 pm on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

It's funding hate because the money you spend there will go to anti-gay Christian hate groups. If you go there, you are, by proxy, supporting hate. 60 years ago, we heard the same exact arguments as to why blacks and whites shouldn't be allowed to marry...

betsy k

8:16 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

Another example of liberals not knowing how to just "let things go"!!! Since the constitution has not been changed (yet), this is Dan Cathy's RIGHT to freedom of speech! He's a genius! Thanks to the small group of people who fight the biblical definition of the family unit, he's getting tons of free publicity! Why punish the franchise owner for something the CEO says? Seriously people, find a better area to focus your energy!

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Logansdad

8:24 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

How is this any different than all the Christians that get upset at stores that say "Happy Holidays" or "Season's Greetings" instead of Merry Christmas?

Please this is not a liberal thing. Don't you remember earlier in the year when the conservatives were boycotting JCPenney because they hired Ellen as their spokesperson or how about last month when Nabisco had an advertisement for a pride colored Oreo.

So to say the liberal should just "let things go" is absurd because conservatives do it more often.

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George

8:37 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

@Logansdad - I'm happy to see not everyone has the "24-hour news cycle memory" we're used to. Those are all good points.

Franchise owner's get hurt every time a corporation tarnishes their image. How many BP owners lost business from the spill? It's the risk with opening a franchise. But there will always be those in the community who will support when the majority leaves.

crystal

8:18 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

Go ask many different food chain owners different beliefs on religion and politics, I'm sure ull find many more that don't share ur beliefs and might even get u mad...then u can protest to get them put of ur town too. I can't believe with all that's going on in our country, people r seriously consuming their time fighting with a food chain rest beliefs. By protesting u r showing hate and r trying to be hurtful so I guess that's what our community is amounting to. So sad. I'm just gonna eat the darn chicken I enjoy. ;)

Deborah Miller

8:21 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

I agree with Lojo...everyone has a right to their opinion and if you do not agree with it, it doesn't make my opinion wrong, or make me "hate" anything/anyone. You have your right to your opinion and so do I. I am proud to be a Christian and I say thank you to Dan Cathy for standing up for what he believes as well! I am glad to have a Chick-fil-A coming to Oswego and I will support them.

Meloni Wilde

8:28 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

Ok. Let's see this for what it actually is. Chick Fil A is a corporation that admittedly puts faith before profit. In this country, we are allowed to do so. Had Dan Kathy been a Muslim owner standing by the same definition HE believes marriage to be,(which is defined the same in the Bible, Torah, Koran...) would this nationwide outrage even be allowed? Will you all then protest Mason Wok because of the Chinese human rights abuses? Will you all then protest every gas station that accepts gasoline refined from oil drilled by OPEC? Where are the animal rights protesters protesting the paint store because you KNOW they test their product on animals? It seems to be that we should step back and think, is my act of protesting someone's right to religious freedom and freedom of speech really American? Don't like it? Don't go there.

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Chris May

11:14 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

Great analogy Meloni - who cares what the guys politics are? I don't eat Chick Fil-A, but they have a right to do business wherever they see fit! And my grandchildren love the playland! Nobody raised any stink because they close on Sunday - it is obvious that this company has Christian beliefs - who cares? IT'S BUSINESS!!!!! I find it funny how the City is telling them they don't want them, yet they are drowning in debt - I don't protest the restaurant opening because I don't eat meat - live and let live - he isn't hurting anyone and "Beck or Becky" why not do something productive with your time? Discrimination works both ways - he has a right to what he believes, as do you...don't eat their, don't support it, but stay out of the way of people that just want a chicken sandwich - I am glad they are here as it is more sales tax revenue for Oswego which will hopefully eventually decrease our property taxes - Becky, just stay out of the way so you don't stop others from shopping there - Welcome to Oswego Chick Fil-A - we'll be supporting you and your right to do business here!

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Eric Roberts

7:09 am on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

IF, as a Muslim owner, he sends large sums of money to organizations that promoted hate...then yes...he would be boycotted equally. Does Mason Wok send money to fund Chinese abuses? Did you ever take a logic class?

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Eric Roberts

7:10 am on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

You are right. they have a right to do business and they have a right to their views and their opinions, just as we have a right to protest and we have a right to boycott businesses that promote hate.

Greg Nelson

8:28 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

Have you purchased from Hobby Lobby, or oh my years ago Pizza Hut. People it is the right of any business person/owner to express his/her beliefs. To picket a business is well wrong - but to not purchase there is right. While I walk a fine line of yes/no on this subject we need to look back into our own heart, to look at what we feel and act properly. To make this a big deal only helps them, but not purchasing product there hurts them. Do the correct thing because we would be just like the stone throwers of old!

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Eric Roberts

7:11 am on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

Do you hate the constitution too Greg?

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Eric Roberts

7:13 am on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

Does Hobby Lobby send money to hate groups as well? As far as I know, they don't. It's not his religion that is the issue...the issue is his support of Christian hate groups. One of the stupidest things a business can do is support and fund a group that will alienate customers. Why do you think that they should be immune to the consequences of their actions?

Jane Enviere

8:32 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

The place is closed on Sundays, so their leadership's stance on gay marriage isn't all that surprising. Unfortunate, but not shocking. I'm fond of CFA nuggets, but I'll ultimately have to pass on taking my kids to a place that lines the pockets of a family with values so diametrically opposed to those of our own.

gina sendef

8:34 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

I believe the point of this peaceful protest is to ensure that the public is aware of what the owner of Chick-Fil-a stands for and uses the profits to support; it's about awareness and education. People can then choose to patronize the restaurant or not based on their beliefs and opinions (or they can ignore it). This is what makes our country unique; agree or not the ability to do this is a good thing because it's freedom (just like the ability to donate your profits where you see fit).

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Oswego Resident

9:07 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

Very nicely articulated Gina. My thoughts exactly.
There are many other places to eat unhealthy foods if that's what you desire.
I will support Becky by "Staying away from Chick-Fil-A"

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Chris May

11:22 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

You would have to have your head under a rock to not have heard - I find it pretty narrow minded of you to say you will pass on taking your kids to a place that lines the pockets of a family with values so opposed to your own - so that means that you are okay with patronizing Citgo gas that supports Chavez, you support illegals because you patronize most restaurants, and you are okay with lining the pockets of CEO's of companies that support the Chinese labor force, etc? Another illustration of ignorance...don't shop there, fine, but give us a break being so high and mighty - you line the pockets of companies that do far worse than a company that supports Christian beliefs - better stay out of 7-Elevens too! Scary that you guys vote too...hold your protest over by Lowes so you can stay out of the way - you ultimately should support or not support a restaurant not on their beliefs but if the food is what you like! Get a clue!

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Eric Roberts

7:14 am on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

Since when is hate a family value Chris? I must have missed that part of the bible where Jesus taught us to hate people.

WATCHMAN

8:35 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

Beck.. Yes you have a right to protest! Go for it! When you are finished, please have your friends clean up after themselves and then head to a Local Christian church and give thanks that even though your beliefs aren't endorsed by Christians you are still loved. If time permits, then head to a Planned Parenthood clinic and try to put some of your energy and time toward helping unborn humans that are slaughtered on a daily basis rather than chickens.

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Vianca Davis

9:05 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

How could the local Christian Church "love" them if they do not consider them as equals?

Henry T

8:36 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

It is this persons right to protest just as it is the right for the owners of the company to give money to whomever they see fit, for whatever cause they chose to support.

There is something to be said for "If you don't agree with them just don't go there" but if people took that sort of attitude on issues in general then our democracy and or community would be all the poorer. People are going to protest against things you agree with and for things you disagree with, that is the way life works in a free society.

I happen not to ponder the politics of where I eat...

But agree or disagree I have to say it is nice in one way to see someone getting worked up about something in this community that does not involve the schools.

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Eric Roberts

7:16 am on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

Our democracy is poor because of people like that Henry. People complaining about the protest would rather see everyone act like good little sheeple and and aid the take over of this country by the oligarchy.

Meloni Wilde

8:40 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

And another thing, marriage defined in the biblical sense is not marriage defined in a court of law. The Bible is a religious text, the Constitution is a legal document. The Church doesn't now, and never has to recognize marriage any other way than the way it is defined in their religious text. No entity, legal or otherwise, has the right to alter or amend that text. They do, however, have the authority by popular vote to amend the Constitution. Until people realize that religious texts and legal documents are different and governed differently, we will continue to have those that feel they should force legal matters on the Church, and religious beliefs in the legal arena. Neither should happen in this country.

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Robert Green

11:46 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

...and words have meaning! A pig is not a goat...a boat is not a tree! A marriage is the union of one man and one woman! Has been for over 5 thousand years. If you like redefining words, would you mind if people called you something other than what you are? Why even bother with language if the word's meaning no longer represents what it stands for? For those that are pro-redefinition...you need to shut up and keep your thoughts to yourself because what you say really doesn't mean what you utter!!!

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Logansdad

11:52 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

Let's talk about redefining words. Marriage is a lifelong commitment between two people who are in love. So who is redefining what marriage is when they get a divorce after 72 hrs, 1 year or 10 years. Who is redefining what marriage is when they get married and then divorced and then re-married several times over? How come that part of marriage is always ignored. So why is that one part of marriage can be re-defined but who gets married can't?

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Robert Green

12:42 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

Dear Logansdad...
"Who?" is Jesus! (Matthew 5:31) Obviously, however, you know more than He! Also..read Matthew 16:18. Jesus told the apostles that whatever they bind on Earth shall be bound in Heaven! Whatever they loose on Earth shall be loosed in Heaven. Since the Roman Catholic Church says that marriage is between a man and a woman, and Jesus gave the founders of the Church permission to make the rules, I guess Jesus has their back! If you don't like what Jesus has said, you could start your own church and have people worship you, if you like...

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Logansdad

1:10 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

Nice try Robert, but you still can't find one passage from the Bible where Jesus spoke out against homosexuality.

Jesus was against divorce. Talk about the hypocrisy from the Christians. They want to ban same sex marriage but not divorce.

Jesus did not give the Church the power to make the rules in the United States. The Constitution defines how laws are made in the United States. You might want to read up on the separation of Church and State.

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Matthew Lenell

1:33 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

Interesting...Jesus himself gave the Catholic Church permission to make the rules? That's a hoot if there ever was one! The Christians were hijacked in the early years (around 380 AD) by the very people who ordered him dead and they called themselves the Roman Catholic Church. They then proceeded to kill millions of people in the name of the very Son of God who abhorred violence and preached forgiveness. Nothing against the modern Catholic Church or its followers, but methinks Jesus did not intend the Romans to make the rules.

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Robert Green

2:13 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

Peter wasn't a Roman! Peter was the first Pope as the first Bishop of Rome! ...and apparently, Meloni, you don't believe that Jesus said what the Gospel says he did. If you studied the history of the separation of Church and State amendment, you would find out that Jefferson was an Anglican. Virginia was paying Anglican Ministers out of the State coffers. This was a carryover from Henry the 8th taking control of the Church in England and making it subject to the crown! Back to Jefferson...the Baptists did not like that state funds were paying Anglican Ministers and even though Jefferson was an Anglican and had no use for Baptists, he saw the wisdom in separating the state from the church and he defended the Baptists. The other reason for the amendment is the founding fathers did not want the federal government setting up a religion of its own like good ol' king Henry! Yet...Atheism and Agnosticism are religions and the federal government has embraced their tenets! Further, they are attempting to force the citizens of these United States to adopt the tenets of these religions as a part of our living in this country. Therefore, the government is in violation of the constitution which you so dearly purport to be separate from the church! A church is a group of people who all subscribe to the same set of religious tenets...thus we end up with the Federal Church of Agnosticism!!! You're already a member!!!

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Eric Roberts

7:22 am on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

Who care what the Christian church has to say about homosexuality...or anything else for that matter? Not everyone is Christian in this country and this is not a Christian country.

Robert: Marriage, as a word, has been used less than 600 years...it's first known use was in the 14th century. The concept of marriage predate Judaism and is present in the pagan faiths that existed long before Judaism existed. Please do some research (it took me all of about 3 seconds to find out the word origin information. Marriage represents the union of 2 or more people. It is only the modern versionof your faith that defines it as a union of a man and a woman. Many other faiths that existed LONG before yours and even you own faith at one time, recognized marriages between same sex couples. Please, get a clue...

Matthew Lenell

8:41 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

For those of you who are claiming the Christian way is a reason to back Chick-Fil-A, take a look at the Bible. In the Good Book, God changed his ways from the Judiac version of a vengeful and demanding God to become God of tolerance and forgiveness. So the question posited is this: do you want to follow the ways that God Himself abandoned in the Old Testament or do you want to move forward and follow Him as he is now? Dan Cathy chose the former and, because of that, I will not patronize his establishment. His choice, my choice, his freedom, my freedom.

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JPauly

8:49 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

Nicely said. People really need to start understanding what God's judgement really means and when it will truly manifest.

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Matthew Lenell

9:15 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

@ Travis McGee,

Bizarre reference. It seems to back my statement whereas you appear to back Chick-Fil-A. The "plank in your own eye" hypocritical reference in Scripture is regarding people who focus on one person's smaller problems whereas they have much bigger problems of their own. Dan Cathay's position is one that is endemic of a much bigger problem with Biblical reference to those small aspects of the Bible that people don't agree with whereas the statement I made is in reference to the much bigger problem that people are failing to understand the meanings and overall development of the views of God as reflected in the New Testament. Please explain the connection.

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Robert Green

12:12 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

The truly Christian way is to Love the Sinner and Hate the Sin! Pray for those who do evil to you! Turn the other cheek! Take up your cross and follow! ...and eat more Chikin...5 out of 5 Cows agree!!!

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Jacqueline

2:06 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

Here's a New Testament verse... Romans 1: 18-32 talks about homosexuality. The important thing is prior to that it talks about this & whole list of other things being the result of the people turning away from God. God didn't abandon the Old Testament. He fulfilled His promises in it. Yes, a Christian's most important first commandment is to love God & love others (per Jesus). I think that can be done without completely rejecting a homosexual person, but also not engaging in the behavior.

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Robert Green

2:44 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

Check Matt 5:17 and 5:18. Jesus did not come to abolish the law but to perfect it!

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Robert Green

2:53 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

...also check out Leviticus 20:13

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Logansdad

3:52 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

Robert Green, way to go. You cherry pick which parts of Leviticus you wish to follow:

Leviticus 20:9 - For everyone who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death. He has cursed his father or his mother. His blood shall be upon him.

Leviticus 20:10 - The man who commits adultery with another man's wife, he who commits adultery with his neighbor's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress, shall surely be put to death.

Leviticus 11:10 - And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:

Exodus 31:15 'For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day there is a sabbath of complete rest, holy to the LORD; whoever does any work on the sabbath day shall surely be put to death.

So Robert why do you obey some laws of the Bible and not others? Why are you ranking homosexuality as the more grave sin?

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Robert Green

5:13 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

Dear Logansdad...
Please keep on topic. There is no such thing as "Good Sin." The point in question is a business owner's view on same sex marriage and his finding support for his belief in the Bible. Being that the Eurocentric view of the founding of this country was primarily for religious freedom and strongly based on the doctrines found within the Bible. That means that for well over 250 years, the Judeo/Christian Ethic has been a mainstay of the culture and political system within this country. No one is saying that Homosexuals cannot form some type of contract uniting them in some type of partnership. It is, however, NOT a MARRIAGE!!! The union does not meet the criteria of a union of one man and one woman in a family unit designed for procreation and the support of offspring from such a union. Chic-Fil-A does not discriminate on the basis of race, creed, color, gender or lack thereof either in their service or hiring practices. Just because the owner of the company believes as many do that a word defines a thing or a situation and you can't just change the meaning of a word because you feel like it, doesn't mean he is wrong or evil. After all...the meaning of Christianity is to Love God with your whole mind, body and soul and your neighbor as yourself! That does not mean that two people of the same sex can get married! It doesn't fit the definition! If you don't want to eat "Chikin," don't! But 5 out of 5 Cows agree that you should eat more Chikin!

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Logansdad

7:38 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

Robert, you are the one posting BIble versus and you tell me to stay on topic. Too funny. Yes this country may have been founded on Judeo-Christian Values, but that does not mean the laws of this country are based on the Bible. There are many things stated in the Bible but are not laws. The Constitution drives the laws in this country, do you understand that.

So same sex marriage is not "marriage"? Then what is it. Lima bean is different than a string bean, but yet both are beans. What do you call a man and woman who get married and then divorced and get remarried? That does not fit the biblical definition of marriage either but yet you still call what they have a marriage. Why do you keep focusing on who gets married rather than what marriage is about - love and life long commitment. is it because 50% of the heterosexuals who get married don't believe in the life long commitment aspect?

Furthermore, there are no requirements about procreation when it comes to marriage so that is a mute point. In fact you don't even need marriage in order to reproduce. Nice try, but another failed argument against same sex marriage.

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Logansdad

7:43 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

You keep mentioning would be redefined by same sex marriage but you are wrong again. It is the heterosexuals who have done that with divorce. Jesus said divorce was a sin. By getting a divorce and allowing to get remarried, the definition of marriage was changed. If you don't believe that, how about looking at the Bible, most earlier marriages in the bible were a man and multiple wives. So somewhere along the way, the heterosexual redefined marriage.

As for the sin,being morally upright is not a reason to deny same sex marriage either. We already know how many heterosexuals divorce and cheat on their spouses. Heck some even get married while they are in prison. So don't even try to say homosexuals shouldnt be allowed to marry because they sin.

So at the end of the day Robert, you can't come up with a legal reason why same sex marriages should not be legal. Marriage is not a religious contract, but rather it is a civil contract. Therefore the Church and religion have no say in the matter.

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Eric Roberts

7:27 am on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

Logansdad...according to the Catholic Church, a man or woman who gets married, then gets divorced and then marries again is committing adultery.

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Logansdad

7:59 am on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

Thanks Eric. It helps prove my point that marriage has already be redefined by the heterosexual. They still call it marriage when a man and women divorce but then get remarried.

Travis McGee

8:56 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

I'm looking forward to enjoying at least one chicken sandwich at Chick-fil-A on August 23rd. Hooray First Amendment! (and, YUM!)

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Chris May

11:24 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

Amen Travis! Support OSWEGO BUSINESS!

WATCHMAN

8:59 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

Beck.. Yes you have a right to protest! Go for it! When you are finished, please have your friends clean up after themselves and then head to a Local Christian church and give thanks that even though your beliefs aren't endorsed by Christians you are still loved. If time permits, then head to a Planned Parenthood clinic and try to put some of your energy and time toward helping unborn humans that are slaughtered on a daily basis rather than chickens.

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Michelle Gipson

5:22 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

I am gay and get birth control from planned parenthood...clearly not to prevent pregnancy but because I bleed so much doing menstruation that I pass out. Planned parenthood is actually more about women's health than abortion.

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Eric Roberts

7:29 am on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

Shhh...don't confuse them with facts Michelle...you should know that if Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, or Fox News didn't tell it is true, then it obviously isn't ;-)

Jon

9:09 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

So much ignorance in the world today!

Dom

9:17 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

Simply put, any executive at Chik Fil A has the constitutional right to say whatever he/she wants to say. In addition, anybody who opposes what they say has the constitutional right to disagree with that. Freedom of speech would not exist if people could not voice their speech in disagreement. The inability to voice opposition would be the contrary to freedom of speech. Has anybody here ever vocally disagreed with any statement from anyone? If so, that is your freedom of speech at work.

Archie "Moonlight" Graham

9:27 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

There is no hate on the part of Chick-Fil-A, it is simply the founder's opinion of gay marriage, expressed sensibly and without malice. The statement from Chick-Fil-A is completely neutral;
Perry said the restaurant’s culture and service tradition “is to treat every person with honor, dignity and respect –regardless of their belief, race, creed, sexual orientation or gender.”

People have the right to peacefully protest. In this case, what in the world are they protesting?!?!?

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Eric Roberts

7:29 am on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

Sending money to known hate groups is pretty malicious.

Fed up too

9:48 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

I support anybody's right to live as they want..... How many of you protest the catholic church? They have the same religious views..... People just need to get thicker skin and accept the fact not everyone is like them or supports them...... Just grow a pair and suck it up...... Bunch of cry babies......

Brian

9:59 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

Chic-fil-a

Good food, other than that, meh.

Kibitzer

10:05 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

This is only for those who feel as I do, that the Word of God is clear on this subject. "Avoid foolish and ignorant disputes, knowing that they generate strife." And for those same folk, continue reading the rest of 2Timothy 2:23-26

Matt Weeks

10:10 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

For you people to say that us lgbt are lookin for attention for standing up for our rights and defending something said directed towards our group is pretty messed up. I for one respect the fact that people have there religion and personal beliefs but it's not smart to mix buisness with personal beliefs and on top of that air your thoughts so everyone can observe/ hear them.

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Michelle Gipson

5:19 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

EXACTLY if the CEO hadn't been the first to make waves his beliefs and funding wouldn't be on the chopping block! You choose to air your beliefs all over town then I am sorry there will be backlash! Now he is trying to eat his own words and blame others for what has happened

Matt Weeks

10:12 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

Keep religion to yourself instead of airing it. Not everyone agrees with everyone

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Fed up too

10:16 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

Well said.... But people just can't pick and choose their battles against religious beliefs....

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Logansdad

10:19 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

But it seems like some people can pick and choose which parts of their religion they wish to follow and which parts they do not.

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Brian

10:22 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

Looking religious is more important than being.

Sure I'm a prick during the week, but I drop an extra 20 in the plate on sunday so it's all good.

Julie Wilson

10:13 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

Politics has no place here.....This is only an opion and it is only Mr. Cathy's opinion. He stated this is what he lives by and that being said he does not discriminate in employment or serving those individuals that we was talking about. And so now the BIG government that continues to grow out of control is saying that businesses cannot come into certain communities...shame on them as this inhibits unemployment from declining and only hurts the communities. If enough digging was done into what private interests groups big companies support I am sure a lot more would be brought up to make people uncomfortable about continuing to support them by buying their product....think about it. This is free enterprise. Do what makes you comfortable but don't tell people not to have their own opinion. Personally, I like Chic-fil-a product, have for some 20 plus years and will continue to buy their product. I miss them having hours on Sunday's but I also admire those companies who allow their employees family time on a given day. I remember it always being that way growing up as a child...maybe we need to go back to that way of thinking.

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Steve Aldrich

12:59 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

Ms. Wilson (et.al.):

Apparently not so, at least according to the lawsuits that have been filed against the company and franchises... it's not 'just Mr. Cathy's' opinion, there are also actions and behaviors. Last I knew, those have consequences (for boon or bane)

The Cult of Chick-fil-A
http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2007/0723/080.html

A Former Chick-Fil-A Employee Is Suing The Chain For Gender Discrimination
http://www.businessinsider.com/a-former-chick-fil-a-employee-is-suing-the-chain-for-gender-discrimination-2012-7

Doesn't seem like such a 'family values, wholesome' franchise or good corporate citizen conduct, IMO. We shall have to agree to disagree on those particular issues.

Have a lovely day

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Eric Roberts

7:32 am on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

Mr. Cathy brought politics to the table by broadcasting his hateful beliefs. If he would have followed the bible and kept his beliefs private, none of this would have even come to light.

Kevman10

10:15 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

And another thought - Beck Gipson can have his protest but I think his perception of the definition of hate is extremely skewed (along with anyone else who thinks the same). Since when is believing in God and his teachings considered HATE? The guy is religious and believe's in the Bible's definition of marriage. So, to make sure his beliefs don't offend anyone - should he donate his money to groups with which his beliefs don't align? I am of the opinion that when someone or group comes out and protests against someone and/or their business because of that person's beliefs - that the protesters themselves are showing and promoting hate and lack of respect and acceptance of someone else's beliefs. I know - maybe I'll start a protest to protest the protesters so I can show I don't want their hate in this town, now that's a good idea! Oh, wait, I don't have time for something so frivolous because I have work, kids, football practices, business travel. I think Beck and others have a little too much time on their hands...

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Michelle Gipson

5:17 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

yet you have time to frivolously make comments repetitively on the internet.....maybe you have too much time on your hands? Whens football practice?

RC

10:19 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

This is simple. People have a right to protest, so do it. The company should be able to build wherever they want to, so build it. If the neighborhood is against them, then do not buy from them. Let their sales from US tell them whether to be in the neighborhood or not.

Q Neal

10:22 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

I would invite Beck Gipson to meet with the owners of this Chick-fil-A. What people fail to realize that over 90% of Chick-fil-A restaurants are independently owned and operated. Dan Cathy's opinions may not reflect the opinion of this Chick-fil-A owner. If Beck Gipson would like to protest after talking to the owner of this Chick-fil-A and finding out if they are against gay marriage the so be it. If not, she should be conducting her protest in Georgia. The opinion of Dan Cathy doesn't necessarily reflect the opinion of this owner/operator.

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Michelle Gipson

5:13 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

Then some one shouldn't stand up and use a company's name to fight civil rights.

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Eric Roberts

7:34 am on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

If they do not believe the same as Dan Cathy, then they should get a franchise with another chain. By franchising with Dan Cathy, they are giving their tacit and financial support.

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Steve Aldrich

8:18 am on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

Neal: Sorry, you don't get to determine where, when and under what conditions she (or others) may chose to protest. Besides which, I have serious doubts Dan Cathy, his HQ team or other decision makers, executives, etc would 'take the meeting' or give her more than a cursory 'thank you'. And given the way CFA chooses it's employees, franchise owners and upper tier leadership, I'd say the chances are rather 'better than even' they either do or are know they will probably face serious ramifications should they speak out' with views counter to HQ's mission statements nad company line, or act independently.

CFA is run and manged with a cult-like discipline and culture, they also market to those who buy into such behavior or are susceptible to similar beliefs,behaviors, etc. See the Forbes article from 2007, then get back to us.

Dolores Curbis

10:44 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

Who the heck is the "PIED PIPER" HERE. Are we all that uneducated or do we have to follow the crowd.. This is really getting out of hand and what is this telling our children. IF YOU DON'T LIKE THEIR VALUES,PLEASE STAY AWAY. We are beginning to be a flash mob society. Please people - with all the serious things going on in our country-put our priorities in the right place.Good luck to Chick-Fil-A.

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Eric Roberts

7:34 am on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

Protest is the one of the foundations of our country. Why do you hate the constitution Dolores?

Michael

10:48 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

Wow, most of the people that comment here are pretty ignorant. It isn't just "his opinion", this company has donated millions of dollars to fight against gays getting equal rights. That'd be like someone donating money to fight against women or against equality for African Americans. This issue is extremely important. It doesn't directly effect you so you don't give a crap. How about standing up for your fellow man instead of giving into your own selfish needs? Yeah, I didn't think so.

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Steve Aldrich

12:50 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

It's not limited to the most recent anti-LGBT issues, contributions, etc. CFA is also on record for similar actions and sponsorship/contributions to groups that seek to limit or deny women's rights. They're also being sued for gender discrimination by a former employee which was in the news last week.

http://www.businessinsider.com/a-former-chick-fil-a-employee-is-suing-the-chain-for-gender-discrimination-2012-7

According to Forbes, they've also faces 12 similar lawsuits for discriminatory practices since 1988.

http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2007/0723/080.html

I'll vote with my dollars, and continue to speak out, just as others are exercising their rights to do so. If this is a company you wish to support and agree with their policies, actions and behavior, please do so. Just as others, like myself, will make alternate choices and advocate for an end or modifications to companies practices that are discriminatory.

Cynthia Clark

10:50 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

I personally welcome a new business to town and I will patronize it. Let's leave religion and politics out of this, it's a restaurant you have the right to go there and you have the right to not go there. This isn't rocket science people. I'm tired of cry babies that start trouble but that energy in something that really matters like starving children, high unemployment. Hey I got an idea why don't you go to Hesed House and volunteer your time on that day instead of wasting time.

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Michelle Gipson

5:10 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

Maybe you shouldn't support franchises in general...franchises kill the economy and and actually put many small businesses out of business...causing higher unemployment, while franchises release products with less quality and pay people so little they would earn more on unemployments. Becky volunteers plenty...I will contest to this she has help me a great deal with the anti-bullying group I volunteer for that works towards children and teens to live healthy and happy lives.

Annie In Oswego

10:53 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

My heart goes out to you, Beck, on people keying your car, etc. Those, indeed are hateful things.
As for Mr. Cathy's donations and where they go- its his choice. Eat there-don't eat there, makes no difference to many. But don't just jump on the band wagon because others are doing it, examine your motives thoroghly. Mr. Cathy didn't "just recently" start donating....so what's up?
If people did research on where other fast food chains, restaurants, grocery stores, etc. donate funds or where their religious beliefs lie, there probably wouldn't be much business.
And it sickens me to see how a difference in opinion turns into this.

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Eric Roberts

7:36 am on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

CFA is relatively new to the area....

Fed up too

10:57 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

we should go protest the protest that Beck is going to have... called "grow some balls and suck it up" or "this is a no crying zone"

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George

11:36 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

The irony of "this is a no crying zone".

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Eric Roberts

7:36 am on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

Why do you hate the constitution so much Fed up too?

Kibitzer

10:58 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

Dolores, I get what you're saying. You are so right. And, Michael, we who comment here are pretty sharp! And smart! And involved in one way or another in our country's "life"! We may not join in outward protests as some do, but many of us will make an effort to see changes made in our quieter, less obvious ways.

Debra Freiler

10:59 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

I wasn't really planning on eating there Thursday, but I am now! I just moved to Oswego in Illinios and I am shocked at what is happening with Chick Fil A. They are opening everywhere with no protests and people love them. I was always under the impression that people were intitled to there own opinions. If you don't like them eat at the Colonel's or Popeyes. The nice thing about living in the good old USA is you have a choice. If you want to protest something why don't you work on the Taxes here. That is what is eating me alive!!!

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Steve Aldrich

3:25 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

Ms Freiler: It may have escaped your notice, but there are several cities who are not only opposing but taking steps to hold CFA accountable for their actions. By denying them being able to do business in their city until there are substantive changes made to CFA's behaviors and actions. Along with the Henson company pulling out of their contract with them. Some colleges and universities also are taking measures or considering them.

Just making a few observations in passing

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Greg O'Neil

3:27 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

Amen Debra, Amen. Lets work on something meaningful, like people being forced from their home from excessive property taxes.

Just Sayin

11:18 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

WELCOME TO OSWEGO CHICK-FIL-A!!!! We will enjoy your chicken!

Loreta J.

11:23 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

The owners of Chick-fil-A absolutely have the right to their beliefs and freedom of speech. That is part of the 1st amendment. The first amendment also gives people the right to those same things, as well as freedom to assemble and right to petition. So peaceful protesting is a right just as the company's beliefs are a right. Chick-fil-A chooses to give money earned from their business to specific groups or charities, that is their right. BUT There is also nothing wrong with peaceful protest against any cause people don't believe in. One right is no more important than the other. Just as I love to give my business to Culvers because they are a huge supporter of the community and give part of their earnings back to the community, some people I know do not frequent Portillos because they do not get involved in the community as much. This is no different. Chick-fil-A does not necessarily align with what everyone's beliefs are. I do not agree with the causes and groups where they donate much of their money, so I will choose not to support them and have my money go to groups with whom I do not agree with. This is about where your heart and passion are, and where you want to spend your money and what causes you want to fund. I will simply not eat there, and others that support their causes certainly will, and that is everyone's right. There is no reason to be cruel to others on this forum as one side is just as passionate as the other, and that's ok.

sara shepherd

11:26 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

For all u people out there beck Gipson is a female. Her name is becky gipson...i know she is my cousin....her beliefs r her own...i am against her protest!!!

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Michelle Gipson

6:00 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

Our family knows a lot about family values in general...I support change...something our family in general is scared to fight for. The worlds next dictator is part of our family. (Well your family, as I see it) I am proud that Becky is supporting change and civil rights. I would support civil rights of anyone by the way; black, white, disabled, pink, purple, gay, straight....as long as the message is love and not violence or hatred I am there.

Robert Green

11:35 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

Count on me being there!!! Not for the protest...to eat!!! Chic-Fil-A is a great company with great food at a reasonable price! You know why liberal establishments are rarely protested by conservatives? We have lives!!! Screw the Political Correctness Police!!! 5 out of 5 cows agree...EAT MORE CHIKIN!!!

naomi donovan

11:38 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

I wasn't planning on eating there the day they opened but maybe I will now. I don't think they have the best food around, but I would like to support them for the CEO being so honest in his freedom of speech. Can you imagine how many other CEO's of places you shop/eat at probably feel this way but just don't say anything to be safe so they don't ruin their reputation? You get ONE person who is offended and has to make a huge stink about it and look what happens. Grow up.

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Logansdad

11:43 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

CEO being so honest in his freedom of speech....After Mr. Cathy made his remarks, the Jim Henson Company pulled their affiliation with Chic-fil-a. Chic-fil-a then pulled the JHC muppet toys from their kids meals. Chic-fil-a then claimed this was because of a safety recall. How is that being honest? How is that running a business according to biblical teachings?

There is more than one person who is offended. How exactly is a peaceful protest raising a "huge stink"?

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Jacqueline

6:45 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

You have your facts wrong on the Jim Henson Co. "Another rumor related to Chick-fil-A that is currently in the media is related to the Jim Henson Kid's Meal prizes. We want to set the facts straight. Chick-fil-A made the choice to voluntarily withdraw the Jim Henson Kid's Meal puppets for potential safety concerns for our customers on Thursday, July 19. On July 20, Chick-fil-A was notified of the Jim Henson Company's decision to no longer partner with us on future endeavors."

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Logansdad

8:31 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

Even if CFA pulled the toys because they ended the relationship with Jim Henson Company, CFA is still lying. CFA said the toys were being recalled because of a safety issue. How is lying a Christian/Biblical value?

Jim Ford

11:50 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

Dan Cathy's religious belief might be hateful to some but those that are protesting to me are more hateful than he is. Cathy's religion and free speech are being attacked by hateful people all because they condone the gross, crudely vulgar actions of a minority group of people. Those of you that claim to be christian, it says very clearly in your bible, man shall be with woman and woman shall be with man. No where in there does it say anything about man and man together or woman and woman together. It does say that it is an abomination.
You want to protest something, go and protest the Westboro Baptist Church and what they are doing. Everyone of them involved with that church should be locked up every time they go to protest a dead soldiers funeral. That church is pure hate and should be protested but you would rather protest someone that follows their religious beliefs right from the bible and attack their free speech that is not hateful. If you protest the Chick-fil-A, you are the one that should be protested.

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Logansdad

11:56 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

Jim, what about my religious belifes. Why can't my religious beliefs be recognized? Why do you feel your religious beliefs are more superior to everyone else's? As someone else stated earlier, the Bible does not dictate all laws in this country. If you don't like same sex marriage, then don't get married to someone of the same gender, but to deny gays the right to get married to the one they love is discrimination.

Lastly, the Bible says eating shellfish is an abomindation as well. How many times have you eaten shrimp? Why do you choose to follow some parts of the Bible and not others?

Mandy

11:55 am on Monday, July 30, 2012

GET OVER IT AND PROTEST SOMETHING THAT COULD HELP US ALL, GAY OR STRAIGHT .... TAXES!

David Edelman

12:13 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

Equal rights means equal rights for everyone in the United States, not a select few and you as a consumer have a choice of where you go and either support these values or not support them. My family and I wont be going there as we support equal rights - for everyone . Lets also be really honest, its fast food and that isnt good for anyone at the end of the day....... But again, you can choose to eat that kind of food or not - only in America of course.

Brian

12:16 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

Where was the outrage when and protests against President Obama when his stance was exactly the same up until a couple of months ago. The lefts hypocrisy is transparent as always

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Steve Aldrich

10:56 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

Annie: That is a total myth and false factually; it has been disproved countless times as little more than intentional fabrications by those who buy into various 'conspiracy theories' across the socio-political spectrum. Much like the similar balderdash and pablum re: the 'FEMA Camps' and pending 'indoctrination camps' or internment camps nonsense that has also been making the rounds on various 'survivalist' blogs, websites, extremist group materials, etc. Same goes for the Winter Solstice Apocalypse hype and jibberish that's quite popular and making $$ for various folks with an axe to grind and suckers to be 'plucked' to feather thier own gilded nests.

As Ann Landers like to say back in the day 'wake up and smell the coffee'.

Respectfully yours

Herm

12:27 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

It is interesting to me that a very small percentage of our population in this country has been able to stuff their fanatacisim down the throats of the majority. Now it is their right to go afield of morality. Just because the law has been altered, does not make it a proper 'right' for all. Their mentality seems to be, ' You will accept what I believe or I will pound on you until you do!!!" The beatings will continue until the morale improves.

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Robert Green

12:54 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

You mean like Atheists and Agnostics? Yes! It seems odd to me that Atheists believe in "nothing" and they are allowed to display the symbols of their faith (NOTHING) in schools and the public square daily while Jews and Christians are not allowed to display the symbols of their faith (MINORAS, NATIVITY SCENES OR CROSSES) in school or the public square!

JasonH

12:31 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

Most of the people against Chick-Fil-A have probably never even been in one. If they had, they would know that the staff at every single one of their restaurants are the nicest and most courteous people you will find in anywhere. Everyone that walks through their doors is treated with dignity and respect.
The Cathy family believes that strong families make for a better society and, yes, that means marriage between a man and a woman. If you look at his full quote, they also appear to be in favor of making marriage last vs. the easy no fault divorces we have today. If you think having no values regarding marriage doesn't matter, I suggest you look at Chicago's southside violence every day where marriage and family values don't exist.

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Matthew Lenell

12:44 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

Been there, liked it, still not going. Staff is nice, but it would also be nice to have a sandwich on Sunday. The Sabbath was Saturday until the Catholic Church arbitrarily changed it to distance themselves from pagan Europe.

My great aunt and great uncle lived in a questionable southside neighborhood until they died and they were lovingly married for over 67 years. They had many like friends in the area. Not sure you thought that one through. Something tells me, however, that Chick-Fil-A won't be putting a franchise in their neighborhood even though KFC and Popeye's (as well as possibly hundreds of other chicken restaurants) are already there...

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Matthew Lenell

12:54 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

By the way, my great aunt and great uncle were an interracial couple. In their young life they had the same hurdles to cross that the gay community has today. They also dealt with the bigotry of a "Christian" ideal (though one NOT supported by the Bible) and those who are protesting same-sex marriage today are of similar mind and character (maybe even the same people considering how long some are living today.)

Dusty

12:35 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

You really need to find something better to do with your time. I'll be there spending lots of money!

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Michelle Gipson

5:06 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

You need to find something to spend your money on! Who spends a lot of money on fast food and is proud? It's okay I support obesity and heart attacks.

Chrissy J

12:35 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

I've read almost every post, everyone is making very valid points. The owners have their right to their religious beliefs, no one is denying that. But because they so publicly announced that a portion of their profits goes towards anti gay marriage, that most certainly grabbed peoples attention. I think what this protest is truly about is gay AND straight people will not be supporting Chic-Fil-A not because of religious beliefs, but because they don't believe in what their profits are going towards. The owners have every right to do with their money as they see fit & so does the community of Oswego. This is not a hate crime to a religious family, but instead an eye opener letting them know that because they foolishly mixed religion & business, there will be many individuals not supporting this company in OSWEGO. She's not trying to override a company, just simply expressing her views & beliefs.

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Michelle Gipson

6:17 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

Agreed Chrissy, when you put your Companies name behind such statements you must expect people to disagree and therefore make choices not to come to your establishment. Some times it is best to keep your opinion to yourself. You mix your business with religion, you have no one to blame but yourself.

Richard Saunders

12:41 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

I'm not particularly a fan of their food, after all it's just chicken and what's been done new with chicken you haven't had too many times already, right? Though I hear their waffle fries are pretty good.

It's everyone's right to support, boycott or protest a business for whatever reason they feel is right. Heck, I bet if more CEO's broadcast their political, religious of moral beliefs, more consumers would have more reason to support, boycott or protest more often.

Of course the CEO's have as much of a right to hold and broadcast their beliefs, or not - as they choose.

I (and you too) have a right to eat bad chicken all you want without anyone deciding that you support something horribly wrong (in your view or not) just because you like bad chicken, just as no one here should be denouncing anyone that's exercising a constitutional right to protest what she (right, she?) sees as an injustice.

An incredible amount of noise here over people's private beliefs.

Greg O'Neil

12:55 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

Obama, the liberal progressive king, did not support gay marriage until earlier this year, he stated dozens of times that marriage was to be between a man and a women. However, recently he had an epiphany, he held his finger to the wind and found he could get more votes for changing his mind on the subject. I didn't notice all you progressives all worked up about Obama's position, just another double standard by those who haven't got any standards, just want to jump on another meaningless cause to show how politically correct we can be? In my view, who really gives a S!*T what a chicken salesman thinks.

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Matthew Lenell

1:07 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

Progressives were giving President Obama a hard time about it because it was one of his campaign promises to the LGBT community. The protest over inaction was fairly regularly reported in most media outlets (except Fox) until he was pressed for a decision. It will not get him more votes considering that there are plenty of independents and progressives who still get squeemish about the prospect, but it will allow him to keep some of the votes he already had.

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George

1:13 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

This is the most divisive issue in the country right now. The people who are for gay marriage were likely voting for Obama already - you don't seriously believe he'll get "more" votes for his evolution of this stance. If anything, I'm betting he loses votes. But no one knows for sure if it will even have an impact.

The point here is - If someone gives money to CFA, that money may be used later on to fund something they don't agree with. It's not about his right to speak, or his views. It's about what Cathy and CFA use their profit for. The money from their customers. The protest is to keep the awareness for those who don't already know.

Loreta J.

1:22 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

No one is saying that Chick-fil-A will not treat everyone with dignity and respect. I'm sure they will as friendly as other establishments and their food might be good. It's the fact that their profits end up funding causes that many people may not agree with. If you agree with, or disagree with those beliefs, each of us is equally free to support or not support the business, and the causes where portions of their money will be going. Nobody is more right or wrong for doing so. It's simple. If you are ok with your money supporting their ideology, then support them. If you do not agree with their beliefs then you should no give them your money. I won't eat there because I don't want my money helping a cause that I don't think is right, but I recognize your right to do so if you want.

Logansdad

1:54 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

I wonder how many against the protest of Chic-fil-a were in favor of the protest against Planet Parenthood before it opened in Aurora. I guess the protest against Planned Parenthood was done by all the liberal extremists .

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Steve Aldrich

4:58 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

Touche' and well played, sir... my compliments

Steve Aldrich

1:54 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

Have a lovely day and week ahead all...will depart this debate and further exchanges for now. I bid you adieu and anon for now...

Tim

1:56 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

How to get rid of religious homophobes quickly?

Get them to stuff their face with some of the most unhealthy food on the planet, to 'support' their beliefs.

Genius!

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dave

2:17 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

Count the number of name calling(s) you see here - and who it's from. Why do people who hold to Biblical values always appear as the haters according to your kind? Can it be we just love and hold to the Truth?

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Tim

2:26 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

religious homophobes is not 'name-calling'.

It is a behavior description of their actions.

The older generation is fighting against a tide that has long since passed them by, they just aren't aware of it yet.

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Logansdad

3:38 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

Jesus did not preach hate but rather tolerance. Those that keep claiming to have Christian values and follow the Bible, can't even practice what they preach. Where did Jesus preach that their religion is the one that must be followed? Where did Jesus preach about judging others? Jesus preached love the sinner, but hate the sin, but when it comes to gays, they can not separate the two. Why is that? Furthermore, the people that hold to Biblical values, only hold to the ones that wish to practice - again why follow some and not the others?

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Tim

6:04 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

@Logansdad,

Because if they followed ALL of the biblical teachings, there would be a lot of people murdered for getting divorced, and a lot of people in jail for murdering them.

Their 'faith' is one of convenience. Nothing more.

dave

2:14 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

Let's agree on who is the real haters here. Chick-Fil-A made a statement where they stand on marriage. But they did not say: they will discriminate; they will not service certain groups of people; etc. Yet the gay community is up in arms. ANY true American, with values aligned with our constitution, would applaud their opportunity to freely speak of their values. Unless they're not true Americans.

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Logansdad

2:23 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

Dave, let's come back to who the real haters are at Christmas time, when all the religious people are demanding stores say Merry Christmas instead of Happy Holidays or Season's Greetings. Stores are free to exercise their right of free speech to recognize all religious holidays during December. Why is it always the Christians who have to have it their way? You don't see the Jewish community telling the stores you better say Happy Hanukkah.

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Tim

2:36 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

@Logansdad,

I'm sure by now you know that the majority of christians suffer from a persecution complex where every time the world does not conform to their wishes, they are 'under attack'.

One of(the MANY) reasons I left the church decades ago. Shortly after that, I realized it was nothing more than a fairy tale, and have never felt happier or freer in my life.

I pity those who need outside direction to know how to conduct their own lives. They have willingly submitted to mental slavery, it may be a slavery they like, but it is still slavery.

They honestly do not see the difference from making rules within their organization, and expanding those same rules outside of their organization. In other words, feel free to make up whatever rules you want yourself to live by, but the second you try to impose those rules on others outside of your group, expect them to be pushed back to the bronze age where they belong.

Remember, we are ALL atheists about most of the gods humanity has believed in.

dave

2:23 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

"Government of the people; by the people; and for the people." That is highly suggestive, and long been accepted universally as, majority rules. I'll be there on Aug 1ST to purchase product from Chick-Fil-A. Let's all count the purchasers compared to the protestores. OK?
And if Ben and Jerry's comes out with a gay/lesbian flavor, count those opposed as well.

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Logansdad

3:20 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

In this country, the majority doesnt rule. If that was still the case, slavery would not have been abolished and equality for blacks would not have occured.

Remember the majority of people voted for Gore in 2000.

Terry C

2:23 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

I think it is funny how pro gay rights and anti gay rights people behave exactly the same way. Don't go to Disney...they're too gay! Don't go to Chick fil A...they aren't gay enough! I think we have to be careful when we start politicizing every trivial thing. Let's not forget that most of the things we buy and use that are made abroad, are made under conditions that, politically speaking, we might find reprehensible. For example, you could be pecking away at your iPhone ( made under sweat shop conditions ) wearing clothes made in Thailand ( under sweat shop condtions ) driving a car fueled by oil that is sold by anti woman, anti gay, anti democracy, pro Sharia law types. To me if you get up on your soap box, and tell everyone how bad they are, be prepared to be attacked for your own hypocrisy. That goes for me, Beck, Mr. Cathy, and everyone else. Just my opinion, but the trajectory of the gay marriage debate is on the side of the pro gay marriage crowd.

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Walt Hines

3:54 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

You said it Terry. All this for a fast food chicken place. Thank goodness we live in the U.S.A and have the choices we do. Go, not to go, that's the 20 million dollar question. I hope it helps with the tax base or they might be going themselves when our next tax bill comes due and we have no more to spend. Good Luck to All!

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JPauly

5:48 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

Hey Walt. I'll bet you they are getting a tax break (property or sales or both) for the next 5-10 years.

Stephanie Amber

2:28 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

Just because chick fil a is a christian company, and follows biblical standards doesnt mean there is anything wrong with them!

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Oswego Resident

3:39 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

True - but when the company CEO openly supports an organization that is zealous in it's efforts to deny basic equalities to a certain section of society, the company shouldn't be surprised when their is a push back by those members of society.

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Steve Aldrich

4:36 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

Ms Amber, I would contend there might be a few things unsettling and disconcerting at CFA, sounds more like an indoctrination process and cult-like climate... such as:

Aziz Latif, a former Chick-fil-A restaurant manager in Houston, sued the company in 2002 after Latif, a Muslim, says he was fired a day after he didn't participate in a group prayer to Jesus Christ at a company training program in 2000. The suit was settled on undisclosed terms.

Family members of prospective operators--children, even--are frequently interviewed so Cathy and his family can learn more about job candidates and their relationships at home. "If a man can't manage his own life, he can't manage a business," says Cathy, who says he would probably fire an employee or terminate an operator who "has been sinful or done something harmful to their family members."

The company might face more suits if it didn't screen potential hires and operators so carefully. Many Chick-fil-A job candidates must endure a yearlong vetting process that includes dozens of interviews. Ty Yokum, the training manager for the chain, sat through 7 interviews and didn't get the job. He reapplied in 1991 and was subjected to another 17 interviews--the final one lasted five hours--and was hired. Bureon Ledbetter, Chick-fil-A's general counsel, says the company works hard to select people like Yokum, who "fit." "We want operators who support the values here," Ledbetter says.

Carol Anaski-Figurski

2:54 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

Welcome Chik filet. The food is good and the the waffle fries excellent. Stand up for what you believe in. Gay or not gay is really doesn't matter as an eating establishment. This has been a California lifestyle for years and live in the 21st century and it to be raising a rukus it ridiculious. I would Invite more to sway the social norms.

dave

3:06 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

As always, with a polarizing topic like abortion or gay/lesbian relationships, you'll see alot of comments. I've noticed one thing in particular: those opposed to Mr Cathay's views have not commented on the real topic. 1) They support traditional marriage, and 2) they fund pro family groups. The Haters are off topic with a myriad of topics that are for or agianst their own belief system. Notice that no one has responded to what was said; who they legally fund; and the liberty to express it.
Chick-Fil-A did NOT make a statement that read: we hate gays and will not serve them. They do NOT fund hate groups. If you read that into it, you are making assumptions that are not true. It's very possible that some people love the Truth rather than hate a certain people.

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Logansdad

3:32 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

No Chic-fil- did not make a statement, but when the President of the company makes a statement, that he runs the business based on biblical teachings are you going to tell me that the business is not run based on his beliefs.

As far as funding hate groups it is a matter of follow the money. Chic-fil-a donates money to pro-family groups that have been identified by the Southern Poverty Law Center as hate groups. This is true. Many would identify this as funding hate groups. No different than the way the government see money being used to fund terrorist groups.

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Terry C

4:16 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

As a person without a dog in this fight ( pretty much a libertarian that doesn't buy a lot of fried chicken ) I am a bit concerned that many of the arguments are saying disagreement=hate. There can be no such thing as tolerance without disagreement. I don't much care for the Republican party, but just because I disagree with them on a whole list of issues, doesn't mean I hate them.

Dave

3:08 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

We shouldn't let Chicago political corruption become an issue here. Obama & Emanuel have bigger issues like no jobs and murders. Why not protest the section 8 public housng project proposed at Mill and Orchard roads.

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Steve Aldrich

4:20 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

Thanks for the dog whistles Dave with your 'section 8 housing' comment above...

Dave

3:14 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

Chic Fillet is a clean well organized corporation that will bring jobs and good food & tax money to Oswego. We could get Felony Franks instead, they're looking for a new home. What tax money will the Ryan public housing project bring here? More taxes for more police, lower property values on the west side. Pick you battles !

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Logansdad

3:33 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

What do you have against Felony Franks?

A M

3:24 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

Freedom to speak is freedom to speak, if ones values differ from anothers, that is the freedom of choice to believe what each individual would like, In this free country.. that is what sets us apart, and the basis of our principals... this does not infringe on civil liberties in any way... The "privately" owned company can invest in whatever they would like, this is capitailism, another basis of our country. There is no one denying any other body anything, at Chik-fil-a.. The denials of speech, and freedoms to speak, are being punished in turn, against civil liberty rights, by certain mayors governers, and others.

Leaveme Bee

3:27 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

Wow. I'm sick to my stomach reading through these comments. I quit about halfway through. This is just sad, plain and simple. This is about religion, this is about freedom of speech, this is about freedom blah blah blah..... Chick-fil-A uses profits to donate to anti-gay causes. Since this has been brought to my attention I am choosing to forego donating my money to Chick-fil-A. If it doesn't bother you then by all means, enjoy your chicken sandwich. Can we all just calm down, be allowed to make a choice, and leave it at that?

Kibitzer

3:51 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

JPauly's comment from 8:49 this morning, (Monday), really struck me! This person said words more true than they could possibly imagine. It was that we all will soon understand "what god's judgement really means and when it will truly manifest". It is on the horizon! And having just read "Annie in Oswego" and having checked out her link; I've read similar news items. Enough of this type of stuff happening for me to know that THE Anti-Christ is "in the building"!

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Steve Aldrich

8:01 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

Careful, this anti-Christ may be hiding under your bed, in the attic or out in the tool shed (if you have one)...just a thought for your considerations.

Any thing's possible, but only a few things actually happen.

Steve Aldrich

3:53 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

Thought I'd share this update, voting with your dollars and standing up for your beliefs whether via active protests, airing your opinions or other means seems to sway opinion, especially when the facts and actions are made know to the wider public.
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The reality is that the boycott is working. A new YouGov Brand Index Survey has found that the consumer perception of Chick-fil-A has taken a nosedive in all regions of the country. Chick-fil-A’s brand score has gone from 65, which was 19 points above average on a scale of 100, to 39 last Wednesday. Their brand has plunged from a score of 80 before Cathy’s comments to 44. The brand has dropped most in the Northeast, where it has gone from a 76 to a 35.
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This is just the latest example of conservatives loving the free market until it is used against them. The boycotters are simply utilizing their power as free market consumers to not eat at Chick-fil-A.
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YouGov Brand Index Survey
http://research.yougov.com/news/2012/07/27/chck-fil-takes-perception-dive-fast-food-eaters/

It's also a good 'tell' when Fox and others (such as RIck Santorum) jump the shark tank and start distorting, evading or actively deceiving what the facts have documented. They know it's actually being effective and are trying to 'change the arguments', toss out ad homineum attacks, present straw-man arguments, invoke the 'false persecution' syndrome, etc. But it doesn't appear to be working so well for them.

Terry C

4:21 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

Just one more comment and I'll be done. I wonder, and this is just thinking out loud, if maybe were looking at the problem all wrong. I see that as of 2011 there are only 10 nations in the world that allow for same sex marriage. I wonder if the problem here isn't that we don't yet allow for same sex marriage, but perhaps the problem is that we've given special priviledges/rights to marriage in general.

Susan Gerardot

4:31 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

Boy oh boy I am so glad I can keep it local and get my Chick Fil-A here at home rather than driving to Aurora. I look forward to seeing all Oswego CFA fans on August 23. By the way, PROUD TO BE A CHICK FIL-A fan. It will be MY PLEASURE to dine there on a regular basis.

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Michelle Gipson

5:03 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

It will also be "your pleasure" having a heart attack and being obese due to "dining at a fast food restaurant on a regular basis" Cheers!

lisa thiltgen

4:41 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

Did Cathy fire someone who is gay? No. Is he a foolish bigot, yes. Does he have a right to his opinion, yes. Is he refusing LGBT from entering his resturants, no. Can he run his buisness as he sees fit, yes. Are municipal bans against private buisnesses unconstitutional, YES.

Michelle Gipson

4:48 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

4. Chik-fil-a also now has lies posted in their restaurants...this is actually my favorite part. Chik-fil-a can't even stand up and admit to these values they have stated. Due to their comments on civil liberties the Jim Hansen Company pulled their funding from chik-fil-a which were the toys in their kids meals. Instead of saying "yep we stand behind the "Christian Values" we brought up The Jim Hensen Company disagreed with us and pulled their funding" They have instead taken the cowards way out and posted lies at their restaurants saying the toys are no longer available due to small pieces. I guess it is okay for "Christians" to lie. Bottom line you state by your beliefs and then you need to stand behind them not lie.

J. Allen

4:52 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

Good god people its called freedom of speech if you dont want to eat there then dont but let others do as they please. Seriously this is a stupid thing to argue about.

Michelle Gipson

4:56 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

Ok I don't know what happened to my 1,2,3 so I will type them again
1. Beck Gipson Happens to be my sister- I will say it takes a strong person who is willing to stand up and fight for a change. Not only that but she has taken the time to meet with city officials and make sure this is done peacefully and legally.
2. She is not fighting against an ignorant comment the CEO made he had a right to and good for him. The issue is that costumers money is being used to fight against a group of people's civil liberties (and not its not just marriage). So protests are being used to let people know what their money is supporting. If people had not done this in the past we would still have slaves, separate drinking fountains, and individuals with disabilities would not be seen as people. Would it be okay for a company to use their money to fight against the civil rights of African Americans?
3. To the person who said my sister should be using her time to do volunteer work. Both my sister and myself volunteer for an anti-bullying group and have spent much of our time traveling, making connects, and spreading the word of this epidemic. If you are interested this group can be found at HeyUGLY.org

Standing up for change takes a strong person. Most of us don't even have the courage to make personal changes and choose to live in misery. My sister is standing up for civil changes and equality. While facing others opinions not just her own. Courage is when you believe! lmL

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Steve Aldrich

5:50 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

Well expressed and stated Ms. Gipson...my compliments to both you and your sister.
Best wishes for your futures; thanks for getting engaged and participating directly in our communities, society and country through your volunteer-ism and giving of yourselves to those causes you believe in/support.

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Michelle Gipson

6:10 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

Thank you Steve...that means a lot. The thing people need to get is this protest is not there to cause hatred or a wall of who is wrong who is right...it is a matter of awareness....if you are aware and choose to eat there fine! Your choice but you can't claim that you were not aware. I support nonviolence, acceptance, support, and love of all people. I may not agree with you but the point is I am not going to condemn you either. It is not my place...I am simply human. I hope I can make it there...I am moving to the city the weekend before...but I will try my best. To me Becky organizing this awareness protest is just an addition of the anti-bullying work she eagerly joined and supported me in doing! Let it be known in my opinion this is not a gay thing it is an anti-bullying thing. I personally know how hard it is to even address the need of personal change let alone take on the idea of civil change of a town. I hope she is able to come to the city often to help me spread the word of love and acceptance of all people...Bullying comes in all ages, shapes, colors, and sizes. End my little bullying rant now!

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Becky

6:19 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

I, for one, applaud your sister's efforts and am glad she is taking the helm to lead a peaceful protest to educate others on a topic she believes in. Pity most of the people commenting on this don't understand that, instead they focus on if she will be in their way as they purchase a sandwich from a fast food restaurant.

My only hope is that our future generations will look at this moment in time and view it the same way we view the time when women could not vote and your color determined your level of worth. It's ridiculous. When will people understand that religion governs how you PERSONALLY act. It does NOT govern what a general population can do. That is why we have separation of Church and State.

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Eric Roberts

7:56 am on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

Ditto on what Steve said. It's great to see young people getting involved and standing up to make their voices heard. Keep up the good work. See you guys at the protest!

Dnb3kids

4:57 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

@Dave- What is wrong with a section 8 housing development being built in the area?

Michelle Gipson

6:48 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

5. As I have stated before Becky has done her research and gotten the okay to do this. This has involved going out with people from the town of Oswego to view the area they are allowed to hold their peaceful protest. This will not be done on chik-fil-a property, so those of you fearing it may be blocking your way...to your deep fried chicken and french fries...IT WILL NOT! No one is there to stop you from enjoying your cholesterol filled over priced meal. (You can get the same fat calories at McDonalds for a dollar that you can get at Chik-Fil-a for 5 dollars)

Scott Finkenbinder

7:42 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

What I don't understand is that the LBGT community speaks of showing understanding....only if it supports their cause. If you disagree with them you must be a bigot or a hater. It is the same playbook the Liberals use if you don't agree with this president, or their agenda, etc... I just don't understand why people of the christian faith are vilified for believing in the teachings of God and believing that homosexuality is an abomination. If God supported this he would have given all of us the ability to child rear, yet he specifically gave one major component of the process to each sex. There was a reason for this.

LBGT couples have the same legal rights in the state of IL as heterosexual couples, but don't have the term marriage. If all they want is fair and equitable treatment then I think they have achieved their goal, yet they want more. Can't they just embrace the term civil union and move on? Why are they trying to change a word that has meant something for 5,000 years? Its almost as bad as people saying the Constitution is a "living document" and should be adapted over time.......

At no point has this CEO or any of their franchisees denied service based on whether a person is homo or hetero sexual. Yet he is being crucified because of his beliefs. God gave all of us Free Will. I, like many,many people on this page will be utilizing our free will and enjoy a nice chicken sandwich on August 23rd.

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Audity

8:02 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

Agreed, Scott. Amazing how some people equate disagreement with hate-speech. Apparently it only counts as "opinion" if people agree with you.

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Michelle Gipson

8:13 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

um often straight couples can't have children....you are aware of this correct? The civil union actually do not allow the same 'rights. Also have you ever reviewed the case that created "separate but not equal".....History would be relevant if people learned from it unfortunately it is a waste of time and effort...as nothing changes...had marriage stayed a religious thing that would be one thing...but as it is not...and has become a legal document as well things need to change. Does not mean I have the right to get married in a church who believes it wrong and force it to happen....but I have the right to have the same document.....The CEO opened the can of worms by putting his beliefs by the companies name...therefore people are entitled to responding the way they want. While you enjoy your unhealthy meal in order to prove your point...I will be eating vegetables as I prove mine

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Tim

8:18 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

I almost stopped reading when you equated the depriving of peoples rights as a 'disagreement', but I would have missed the best part...

So infertile couples are abominations in Gods eye because neither of them can produce children? Condemned by your 'god' just because they can't have children?

At some point, you are going to have to realize why so many people are turning their back on your 'religion'.

But my favorite part;
"Its almost as bad as people saying the Constitution is a "living document" and should be adapted over time......."
Do you mean like the bad people that wrote the constitution to allow for exactly this?
Or do you mean like the 27 times is has already been amended, as recently as 20 years ago?
You have just posted, by your own thought process, that you think slavery should still be legal, women shouldn't be able to vote, and that a protestant should be allowed to deny voting rights of a catholic. (that 'living document' allowed all of those things at one point)

I'm guessing you wouldn't actually want any of those things, but are just repeating what you heard someone else say. You talk about Free Will, isn't it about time that you exercised it yourself?

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Logansdad

8:36 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

Scott,

Civil unions are not marriages. They are not equal. If you some research, you will see that there are around 700 more rights you get by being married versus being in a civil union.

Who is denying the Christians their right of speech or belief. Nobody is stopping them from expressing their faith. However their beliefs should not stop other people from have the same equal rights when it comes to marriage. Is anyone forcing a Christian into a same sex marriage. Nope so their rights are not be violated.

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Steve Aldrich

9:32 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

Scott F: Let's see, there are several hundred civil laws, benefits, etc that are legally denied to LGBT couples that are granted with hardly more than a 'by your leave' and $75-150 for the civil marriage license to any/all heterosexual couples. Civil unions are not legally equivalent to civil marriage, not recognized by the federal (or all state) governments, health, inheritance, visitation, child custody rights are not universally equivalent or respected/granted to LGBT couples in a committed relationship.

Also, the religious forms, terms and tenants/doctrine surrounding marriage are older than 5000 years, not universal in application, beliefs or practices. Word definitions, usage, etc have evolved and changed since they originated. Same with the Constitution (try reading the actual document and subsequent/corralary foundational documents. The constitution was written, designed and intended to be modified and revised by those who wrote it and enacted it as our governing document in our civil/secular and pluralistic Republic.

Your chosen faith and personal beliefs are not universal nor can they be 'enforced' on others who do not share them or wish to adhere to them. They have also significantly changed or been revised in common practice and 'articles of Faith'.

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Eric Roberts

7:57 am on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

Yes...because separate but equal works so well for blacks...did you not pay attention in your history classes?

debra leonetti

9:02 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

I've already banned them for using peanut oil in making their food! I guess the rise in children's allergies don't make a difference in their family values.

Scott Finkenbinder

9:26 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

@Logansdad: Civil Unions are not marriages? From my understanding they do afford the same legal rights as married couples (everything from healthcare to rights of survivor ship in contract law)..and if it doesn't just do like everyone else does and have wills, healthcare proxies, etc....As for expressing his beliefs, persons are trying to drown him out for his opinion because it doesn't confirm to their ideas. As for forcing people, free will. People can do what they chose. By the way, is this the same as the government forcing Catholic establishments to provide birth control?

@Tim and Michele..I am very aware that certain couples have the unfortunate luck of not being able to conceive...my point is that God did not make us asexual. At no point did I say infertile people are an abomination. Those are your words (a stretch).
@ Tim...and it is sad that people are turning their back on religion...you can draw it back to the children of 60's. This is where the moral decline of our society began. If more people had religion in their lives this country would be substantially better off.
As for the Constitution, you are correct. My point is that it has been changed by the overwhelming majority of the electorate, not by the view of the minority of the electorate. LGBT are trying to achieve this by going around what our founding fathers set forth (their version of this "living document").

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Tim

9:39 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

No, Scott. Those are not my words.
Those are the words of the Catholic Church.

“What is there that comes from marrying them? Nothing! They are two, they remain two, they die two.”
~Archbishop Oscar Cruz, CBCP

While referring to same-sex marriage, it is quite clear that producing offspring is the primary function of what the church sees as marriage. According to the church, if you can not procreate, you do not 'deserve' marriage. This includes infertile couples.

It is not 'sad' that people are turning away from blind superstition, it is wonderful.

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Logansdad

10:02 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

Scott, no one is drowning Cathy out. He has been speaking his mind for years and donating his money to causes near to him for years. This is no different than any other group that protests against a company that don't support a particular agenda.. Every year at Christmas, the religious zealot complain that the stores are waging a war against Christmas because they dont say Merry Christmas in their advertisements. Just last month a certain "Family" group started a boycott with Nabisco over a pride color oreo. So it not just the LGBT community or liberals protesting.

As for marriage, is a civil contract, not a religious contract.

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Steve Aldrich

10:11 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

Scott F: "LGBT are trying to achieve this by going around what our founding fathers set forth (their version of this "living document")."

Let's see, what part or portion of Equal=Equal do you not comprehend? Or is a simple refusal on your part to accept this principal that is clearly stated and eloquently expressed in our foundational documents of this Republic?

BTW, various recent court rulings, which do have the authority and standing as part of the triad of defined branches of said civil, secular government have DOMA and other laws are unconstitutional. Those of us who support extending civil marriage rights, benefits and privileges to include LGBT couples who desire to enter into marriage, meet the underlying requirements and adhere to the civil contract, responsibilities etc are doing so via proscribed means and methods also contained in the constitution. Prior to the 'Loving vs. Virginia' ruling, inter-racial marriage was also banned in many States, comparable arguments were made to maintain the status quo for that as well...shall we go back? That also was not 'popular nor universally accepted', but opinions and experiences have changed in nearly all quarters to support it.

Your protestations of 'moral decay and lack of piety' go well back into antiquity before the Abrahamic faiths and have been a constant 'refrain' since. Well before the 1960's (or even the roaring 20's)

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Steve Aldrich

10:35 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

Scott F: "From my understanding they do afford the same legal rights as married couples (everything from healthcare to rights of survivor ship in contract law)..and if it doesn't just do like everyone else does and have wills, healthcare proxies, etc..."

You are incorrect in your theory and facts do not support or validate your beliefs. May I respectfully suggest you review them using actual data and information:

1. The Difference Between Marriage and Civil Unions
http://resources.lawinfo.com/en/articles/family-law/federal/the-difference-between-marriage-and-civil-uni.html

2. A first look at the Illinois Civil Union Act
http://www.isba.org/sections/familylaw/newsletter/2011/02/afirstlookattheillinoiscivilunionact?destination=sections/familylaw/newsletter/2011/02/afirstlookattheillinoiscivilunionact

3. A Primer on Same-Sex Marriage, Civil Unions, Domestic Partnerships, and Defense of Marriage Acts
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0922609.html

4. THe legal fees, costs etc are quite extensive and often times cost prohibitive and excessive for those in domestic partnerships or civil unions, compared to thos automatically and universally granted to heterosexual couples for the cost of a marriage license and entering into a legally binding and approved civil contract.

That (#4) is another strong argument and evidence (legally and logically speaking) that this is a valid civil rights and equality issue that is disallowed under the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

Leslie Conklin

9:45 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

I am pro gay marraige, I am an athiest. I will be eating at CFA on Wed CFA day. I will order big, maybe take it in to the office. This is ridiculous. Free speech people. Dont go. I dont care. There was no hate in what they do...just their beliefs. They are as valid as yours.

Leslie Conklin

10:01 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

Oh so sorry. Only put in a 15 hour day today. I am sorry my typing errors are your biggest comment.

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Becky

11:09 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

Leslie if you are referring to Audity's comment of "word", they were agreeing with you. :-)

OswegoMan

10:24 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

Jon Stewart, once again, made this seem silly. For both sides. Touché.

Chris Haen

10:35 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

Why is *THIS* the first article on Patch in over a year about Chick-fil-a? Why has there been no mention of Chick-fil-a breaking ground right here in Oswego until now? Anybody building anything these days should at least deserve a mention--but some random person puts up a Facebook page and they get a news article?

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Logansdad

8:13 am on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

There was a prior article in the Patch about Chic-fil-a opening up. The other was posted on May 4th.I guess you just missed it.

Shannon

11:39 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012

You people are ridiculous. Had this guy made a racist comment and donated money to the kkk all of you would be ripping that place down brick by brick. Everyone is allowed to have their opinions but no one should spread hate. Don't believe in gay marriage? Then don't marry one. Mind your own damn business. Have your opinions but dont spread hate. You want your freedom of speech then have it but let those of us that believe in gay marriage have ours.

Michelle Gipson

7:41 am on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

Natasha that was me enjoying waffle fries made in my oven. I am not against fast food...I just find it rather disturbing that in protest of the protest people are stating they r going to eat there at least once a week? Looking up my YouTube channel that is kind of disturbing, but congrats u found the one of like two of me being goofy! That said work time. Time to educate the youth of the world enjoy ur day!

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Steve Aldrich

8:32 am on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

nicely done Ms. Gipson....well articulated and on point.

Janet Taft

8:36 am on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

GOOD GRIEF EVERYONE! So the guy is against same sex marraige as am I . There are alot of people out there who are not true christians and tend to ruin it for those who truely are.I believe true christians don't hate Gays, they just don't support them. I have read enough on the issue!!! The guy has a right to support who he wants and who he doesn't want to. Protest if you want, but it solves nothing!People will come anyway . If you don't want to go to this new restaurant because of his views, then don't go. I'm sick of people slamming the christian religion, twisting Gods word and what this country is supposed to be. Lets just let it go and let the man run his business for those who want it. I have had enough of all this !!!! I'm sorry I signed up:(

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Tim

9:29 am on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

psssst....
god isnt real.

Stop using make believe beings to justify your bigotry.

Katy K

8:45 am on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

Mr. Aldrich, you sir have way too much time on your hands...give it a rest or a protest.
Scott F. opinions are like ***holes we all have one and they stink. Religion is a belief in each person...you can't argue with it!

muvin on

10:11 am on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

Makes a whole lot of sense to deliberately try to hurt sales of a new business in town, when revenues and jobs are so desperately needed. Whiny-ass liberals.... get a life!

Just Sayin

10:31 am on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

Isn't Chistmas about celebrating Jesus' birth? All you non believers out there, exactly what are you celebrating on Christmas? There wouldn't be a "holiday" without the birth of Jesus...

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Logansdad

11:04 am on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

In case you forgot stores, don't just celebrate Christmas. There are two other holidays in December into addition to Christmas. Why do you feel the Christian holiday needs to be the one that is recognized?

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Tim

2:52 pm on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

Well, it was the festival of Saturnalia before the church hijacked it a few centuries ago.
So yes, there would still be a holiday without Jesus, just as there was before the church hijacked it.

Kevman10

11:50 am on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

Would you all just give it a rest already?!?! For the love of God! If you would all like to schedule a religious debate, go right ahead. But, let's try and keep it simple here because it's gone to an entirely different level now and needs to stop - no matter how much one side or the other would like to tout their knowledge or religions, you should all step back and look at what you've turned this into! I'm a Christian and I like Chik-Fil-A so I will go, I'm sure non-Christians do as well, and vice versa - and gay people may not go either. The guy has Christian values and chooses to run his business based on his foundation and on his beliefs, that is his right! If gay people don't like it, tough. If non-Christians don't like it, tough. Geesh, people - doesn't any of you work? Give it up!

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Tim

12:03 pm on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

Nobody said it wasn't his right.
However, It is also his(and your) responsibility to accept the consequences of exercising his rights.

A business owner has the 'right' to express that he thinks Asians are 'insert whatever stereotype here'. He will also have to deal with the consequences of saying that in a society that for the most part discourages all forms of bigotry and prejudice.

If you wish to justify bigotry by handing off your responsibility for your own words and thoughts to a 'religion', then you should fully expect your religion to be torn down as well.

I'm well aware of what I have 'turned into'. Are You?

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Kevman10

1:25 pm on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

Tim - Then you're well aware that you're a dingbat leftist who has no beliefs. What's the consequence of exercising his right? Some people don't eat there. Obviously from your posts, you do not believe in God - and that is your right. But, one who has no beliefs of his own should not be attacking those that do "just because" he chooses to make a mountain out of a mole hill. I'm not justifying bigotry by eating at a restaurant, I'm enjoying food I chose to eat and pay for. My money not only goes to the CFA President - it also goes to all of the people who are employed there and the jobs that the company affords us and our children. If you really want to express your hate of prejudice, go protest a restaurant with an Islamic owner - they'll stone ya to death just at the thought you might be gay - much worse than saying you don't believe in gay marriage, don't ya know. Grow up, your rhetoric grows tiresome and your desire to somehow fulfill your inner needs of self worth with a cause is right beside it. I'm well aware of what I "am" (not what I turned into as yourself noted). Maybe you're not entirely sure and that is why you choose to put a foot in this fight to see if it works for you. If it does, great. If it doesn't, too bad. Either way, no skin off my back and you're still just another lonely soul with a thought on a web page.

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Tim

2:58 pm on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

When you feel comfortable coming out from behind the religion you hide behind, we can have a conversation.

All I am reading from you is someone who is too afraid to ascribe his own words to himself, and has to look to an external entity to attach it to. If I was saying the things you were, I would try to distance myself from them too.

Perhaps you missed my post earlier about why I left the church, and more specifically your exact denomination.

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Kevman10

3:37 pm on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

Tim - HAH-HAH-HAH, you're funny! The rubbish you spew. If you only you knew of what you spoke. I'm not hiding behind God or religion. Actually, all I said from earlier post was I'm a Christian and never mentioned anything else aside from saying obviously you don't believe in God. It's kind of ironic that you're fighting tooth and nail against Christianity and CFA's comments when you're trying to impose your beliefs and hate for the church. Wow, I wonder if you owned your own business and campaigned against Christianity openly if you would feel you should succumb to political pressure as you suggest everyone else should by chiding the CFA President and not going to CFA. I bet you're one that has to make something his cause and always has to have the last word because it makes you feel as though you won. Hmmm... I bet I'm not proven wrong. I guess we'll see.

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Logansdad

4:33 pm on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

"Grow up, your rhetoric grows tiresome and your desire to somehow fulfill your inner needs of self worth with a cause is right beside it."

Wow the same can be said of the Holy Rollers. You preach your morals values to the rest of the world as if you are somehow more superior and more just than the rest of society because you follow a certain religious belief.

Those that claim to have morals are often the ones that cheat on their spouses. Take Newt Gingrich and Jerry Falwell for example.

I wish the Holy Rollers would stop telling others how they should live their lives. If they don't believe in something, than don't do it. They should take a clue from the Bible they supposedly follow - judge not least thee be judged.

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Kevman10

4:37 pm on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

Logansdad - Wow, you have the uncanny ability to misconstrue and skew any words that are put on here to spin them the way you want - because you just can't let go... Give it a rest already...

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Logansdad

4:42 pm on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

If that upset you, maybe you should go to Church and say the rosary a few hundred times.

Jan Alexander

1:32 pm on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

Best of luck to the franchise owner of this new Chick-Fil-A in Oswego. Having owned a restaurant I know how challenging it can be. I hope the CEO hasn't hurt his chance at success.

Tom

2:31 pm on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

went to chik- fil- a for lunch. order chicken sandwich. However they would not let me eat the chicken sandwich, apparently it was a gay, lesbian or bi-sexual chicken. I was told that the chicken in question is an abomination to God and did not deserve to be treated or respected equally as other straight chickens, and could not be served on their bun. I stated the GLB chicken is just as delicious as the straight chicken and has a right to be eaten. They disagreed. So I left, got some sushi. Not sure if that yellow fin tuna was gay or straight, but it sure was tasty.

Terd Ferguson

3:38 pm on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

This is a great read. On one side we have the Holy-Rollers trying to justify their prejudice and hatred toward people 'different' than them (LGBT) by quoting a book that always gets thrown out of court for lack of evidence and makes preposterous claims of miracles. On the other side we have the lib crowd who can't accept that some people are just dumb crackers brainwashed into truly believing that a 2,000 year old jewish zombie hates gay people and commands his flock from space to refute evolution and science (CEO of CFA). If you don't like gays, blacks, etc that's fine, it's your right as an American to be of the Lowest Common Denominator of human being. If you don't like exclusionary right wing Christians, it's also your right to eat granola and backpack across Europe while stinking like patchouli. You're never going to change the bleedin-heart lib calls for all things to be equal according to THEIR perception of the Constitution, and unless NASCAR and Fox News team up and say that Jesus miracled himself into their offices and told them that hating gays is bad, the redneck sheeple won't change either. Stupidity on both sides and stupidity kills.

mike ellison

3:38 pm on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

Why doesn't the editor of this article post Beck Gipson's address so that people on the other side of the issue can go picket at her house? It's only fair. I have no problem with people boycotting businesses that they don't like, but when it becomes 'in your face' at their place of business with a group of people then it's only fair that those of with different views get to reciprocate.

So, come on Patch, what is Beck Gipson's address of her home or business?

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Steven Jack

4:48 pm on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

Comments left here have gone way over the line and have been removed for violating our terms of use. I'm also closing the comments on this article. Thanks.

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